Overthinking Time and Distance

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Maintaining a previously obtained LGP doesn't requre that the opponent keep the ball.

However, the defender can't establish LPG while the opponent is airborne.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

However, the defender can't establish LPG while the opponent is airborne.

I think you answered your own question.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

However, the defender can't establish LPG while the opponent is airborne.

If LGP was established before the player with the ball left the ground, then time and distance were probably appropriate, and it wouldn't matter if the ball-handler passed or not. And whether or not the ball was passed, it's team control if not player control, penalties are the same, going the other way.

If LGP wasn't established, it doesn't matter whether or not the ball handler keeps the ball, shoots or passes, it's a block.

And I thought I was an over-thinker!!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

However, the defender can't establish LPG while the opponent is airborne.

Not relevant....at the time of contact, the player wasn't airborne.

If the position taken gives sufficient time/distance at the time it is established, it is LGP. At the time it was obtained, the player had the ball. In this case, it gave the the airborne player a place to land before contact...all that is required for a player with the ball. That mean that it was legally obtained. The fact that the ball handler gave up control of the ball doesn't negate a previously obtained LGP.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not relevant....at the time of contact, the player wasn't airborne.

If the position taken gives sufficient time/distance at the time it is established, it is LGP. At the time it was obtained, the player had the ball. In this case, it gave the the airborne player a place to land before contact...all that is required for a player with the ball. That mean that it was legally obtained. The fact that the ball handler gave up control of the ball doesn't negate a previously obtained LGP.

As I read what I wrote here in conjunction with reviewing the rules, I'm not so sure I'm right....at least by the letter of the rule.

However, I can't believe the intent was to force a defender to get out of a position that would have drawn a charge had opponent not passed the ball.

I think that once the player lands, the "airborne" clause of the rule is irrelevant and all that matters then is when the defender obtained the position relative to the opponent and ball's status....obtained while the oppoent had the ball makes it LGP and obtained after the opponent gave up the ball is not LGP unless extra time/distance is given.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

However, the defender can't establish LPG while the opponent is airborne.

You might just change your mind about that after reading case book play 10.6.1SitA(b).

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You might just change your mind about that after reading case book play 10.6.1SitA(b).

I will look at that tonight.