Double number change

[hbioteach]

I got this question from a coach. I did not work this game.
Player A1 had 4 fouls and player A2 has 1 foul at the end of the 1st half.
A1 and A2 switch jerseys at the half.

A1 and A2 enter the game to start the second half.
What do you have?

Certainly, technical foul on a1 and a2.

Do you T the coach?
Do you toss the coach?

[Jurassic Referee]

A1 & A2 both get "T"s under R10-3-1. That's A1's fifth foul--> buh-bye.

If I know for sure that the coach told the players to switch numbers, I'd call a flagrant technical foul on the jerk. If I'm not sure, the head coach is still gonna get a direct "T" under R10-4. All players are bench personnel during the half, and the head coach is responsible for their behavior.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

A1 & A2 both get "T"s under R10-3-1. That's A1's fifth foul--> buh-bye.

If I know for sure that the coach told the players to switch numbers, I'd call a flagrant technical foul on the jerk. If I'm not sure, the head coach is still gonna get a direct "T" under R10-4. All players are bench personnel during the half, and the head coach is responsible for their behavior.

I agree with your penalties on the players, but wouldn't the head coach get 2 indirects?

Would both players be ejected for flagrants technicals regardless of how many player fouls they had accumulated?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Would both players be ejected for flagrants technicals regardless of how many player fouls they had accumulated?

Judgment call. I agree that you can certainly make up a good justification for flagrant technical fouls against both players in this particular case.

[Nevadaref]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ch1town
Would both players be ejected for flagrants technicals regardless of how many player fouls they had accumulated?

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Judgment call. I agree that you can certainly make up a good justification for flagrant technical fouls against both players in this particular case.

Nope. This time you completely screwed it. (Glad I'm not the only one on here who makes a mistake from time to time.)
It is not a judgment call at all. It plainly says right there in the book that it is a flagrant foul. Ch1town is right.

Rule 10
SECTION 3 PLAYER TECHNICAL
A player shall not:
ART. 1 . . . Participate after changing his/her number without reporting it to the scorer and an official.
PENALTY: (Art. 1) Flagrant foul. Penalized if discovered while being violated.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I agree with your penalties on the players, but wouldn't the head coach get 2 indirects?

A1 & A2 entered the game to start the second half. That's when the number switch was discovered. They're no longer bench personnel, they're players. The head coach no longer has the responsibility for their actions.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

A1 & A2 entered the game to start the second half. That's when the number switch was discovered. They're no longer bench personnel, they're players. The head coach no longer has the responsibility for their actions.

I'm just trying to figure out the justification for giving the HC anything. If the 2 players did it during halftime, they are considered bench personnel, so I would think the HC would get 2 indirect as a result. If they are discovered during the game, then how do we give the HC a T? (Granted, if we know for sure the HC had anything to do with it, I can see T, perhaps flagrant.)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I'm just trying to figure out the justification for giving the HC anything. If the 2 players did it during halftime, they are considered bench personnel, so I would think the HC would get 2 indirect as a result. If they are discovered during the game, then how do we give the HC a T? (Granted, if we know for sure the HC had anything to do with it, I can see T, perhaps flagrant.)

The penalty for "T"s called under R10-3 doesn't include an indirect "T" on a head coach. I wouldn't give out anything under R10-1-2 because that would only be one team technical foul charged, and that isn't penalty enough for what the l'il sh!ts tried to do. They both committed an unsporting act, and both should be punished equally.

The language at the front of 10-4 is good enough for me....."The head coach is responsible for the conduct and behavior of....all other bench personnel." No way I'm letting him skate. If he didn't know what his players were trying to do, then he should have. The only question imo is whether he's gonna get a flagrant "T" or simply a direct "T".