Referee the Defense

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Request denied, since you are not the original poster of the thread.

yeahbut I slept in a holiday inn last night...anyway

MODS!!!! I demand the right to declare threads complete and lockable be extended to anyone who posts in that thread!!!

[JRutledge]

I am going to have to piggy back on what many people have said. Referee the defense is an "all the time" practice. You watch the defense so you are not surprised when contact occurs. And you do not just pay attention to the player guarding immediately, you watch the other players as well. So when a ball handler goes to the lane, you are not surprised when contact occurs.

Peace

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am going to have to piggy back on what many people have said. Referee the defense is an "all the time" practice. You watch the defense so you are not surprised when contact occurs. And you do not just pay attention to the player guarding immediately, you watch the other players as well. So when a ball handler goes to the lane, you are not surprised when contact occurs.

Peace

I agree 100% with your philosophy. I just find that the words "Referee the Defense" aren't the best way to teach it. It gives the idea of ignoring the offense. I really prefer "See the Whole Play". It helps a person understand that it's all importnat.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I agree 100% with your philosophy. I just find that the words "Referee the Defense" aren't the best way to teach it. It gives the idea of ignoring the offense. I really prefer "See the Whole Play". It helps a person understand that it's all importnat.

I do not like the terminology "See the whole play" at all. That terminology does not focus on where you are watching and why.

The philosophy is not just about the verbiage and only the verbiage. This is about getting the average person away from only watching the ball handler and having a play blow up on them without see everything. If you just say "see the whole play" does not tell someone the defense is the key. After how can you call a block/charge call without knowing if the defender was not legal in their movement?

Peace

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not like the terminology "See the whole play" at all. That terminology does not focus on where you are watching and why.

The philosophy is not just about the verbiage and only the verbiage. This is about getting the average person away from only watching the ball handler and having a play blow up on them without see everything. If you just say "see the whole play" does not tell someone the defense is the key. After how can you call a block/charge call without knowing if the defender was not legal in their movement?

Peace

You're right that defense is key on the block/charge, and that the ref needs to keep close track of that. And that new people need to learn how to not watch the ball-handler only.

But the OP is now having trouble keeping track of the offense, because he's doing too much Refereeing the Defense. I think for him, and probably others, See the Whole Play, with the appropriate explanations, will be more useful.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

You're right that defense is key on the block/charge, and that the ref needs to keep close track of that. And that new people need to learn how to not watch the ball-handler only.

But the OP is now having trouble keeping track of the offense, because he's doing too much Refereeing the Defense. I think for him, and probably others, See the Whole Play, with the appropriate explanations, will be more useful.

The reason in my mind the OPer is having trouble is the fact he has tunnel vision. I would be that he is only looking at or two players and this is why he is surprised when a secondary defender comes into the picture. When a ball handler comes to the paint, you have to start paying attention to where the other defenders are so that you are not shocked when one comes out of no where and there is some contact. Refereeing the defense also helps you see screens and off ball activity which can be more important. Anyone can simply watch the ball.

Also seeing the whole play is about not making a call too quick before the result or advantage/disadvantage is determined. In other words making a block/charge call when the defender clearly flops applies as well. Or making a hand check call but the ball handler blows by the defender and has an opportunity for an easy lay-up or pass that leads to a easy lay-up.

Just like anything in this world some people are going to get it and others will never understand no matter what terminology is. Maybe he will never understand or it was not explained to him properly. We call do not learn the same and we all do not pick things up at the same rate. But based on what he said I do not see this as an issue with the verbiage, I see this as an issue of having tunnel vision and not seeing everything around one or two players. He might not even have a good concept of the coverage area and how to move to get better angles in that coverage area.

Peace

[Junker]

There's lots of good stuff on this thread. Kind of a nice suprise after all the NBA stuff that's been floating around here lately. My question is for the OP. How do you know you're missing calls? Are you watching tape, or do you just feel like you're missing stuff?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I agree 100% with your philosophy. I just find that the words "Referee the Defense" aren't the best way to teach it. It gives the idea of ignoring the offense. I really prefer "See the Whole Play". It helps a person understand that it's all importnat.

"See the whole play" refers to being wide enough to see everything you need to see AND waiting, allowing the play to develop and then make a call, if neccesary.

[Texas Aggie]

If the ball handler starts dribbling in the lane, pick up the defenders and what they are trying to do. This usually makes the call a lot easier.

Ruts stuff here is good and I agree 100%. Just to add to it a bit under this statement, be aware of a possible secondary defender coming over and either taking the charge or committing the foul himself. In boys play, HS JV or Varsity and above, some of these guys come out of nowhere and I think calls are missed because we weren't aware of their presence until after we put everything together in our minds -- often when we are heading back the other way.

The way I like to do it is think about what defense their in: zone, man, combo. Then break it down some more. This helps keeps me alert in games where we are at risk of drifting.