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Sorry about another PSK question, but everyone's comments have been very helpfull. How do we handle it if "R" has 12 players...both in illegal participation situations (15 yrds) or illegal substitutions (5 yds)?
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5 yards if you catch it prior to the snap for a substitution foul. If it's caught after the snap, it is an IP 15 yard foul and since this is a foul at the snap, it is previous spot enforcement, NOT PSK enforcement.
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Thanks! We handled the IP as a previous spot enforcement but it got our "wheels" turning somewhat when R's coach started yell for PSK. He lost the ball because of the 15 yards. We told him it was a previous spot enforcement but he wasn't happy.
Is it defined somewhere in the book that this is a previous spot and not PSK? We couldn't find it after the game and I haven't had a chance to check. Thanks again. |
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Also, I queried the NY state interpreter who gave the same answer. The trick is for it to be a PSK the foul must occur beyond the LOS. |
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Remember, the whole point of PSK is to not take away possession from R for a foul that occurs after K has elected to give possession to R.
IP does not fall into that category. R's 12th player is committing a foul the entire time he is on the field. If he is on the field before PSK goes into effect, then it is not a PSK foul. This does raise an interesting question: if a 12th R player comes onto the field during the return, is it PSK? I would think yes, but I'm curious to know what all of you think. |
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rules makers had a brain fart...psk starts AT THE SNAP this year..(if the ball crosses the neutral zone)... making this a psk foul....it SHOULD start at the kick then it wouldn't be a psk foul ... if i was the coach i would have gone ballistic too..if defense recognizes it as a defensive foul and they don't kick it -- they get a free play from previous spot .if they do kick it-- it becomes psk if kick crosses
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Fed Explain PSK IP or IS
Ed Hickland was right...there was a thread that started on August 27 by BktBallRef titled "Is this a PSK foul?" and in that thread, Cowboyfan1 posted a response from Jerry Diehl that clearly explains it. Here it is:
Sent an email and I got a reply back.. R did not commit a PSK foul. By rule (10-4-1a) the spot of the foul will be the previous spot. I would also reference you to Rule 2-16-2g. If the penalty is accepted it would be first and ten for K at Rs 40-yard line. Hope that helps. Jerry L. Diehl Assistant Director National Federation of State High School Assn. (NFHS) P.O. Box 690 Indianapolis, IN 46206 (O) 317-972-6900 (F) 317-822-5700 http://www.nfhs.org So there it is folks.. Per the Fed it is not PSK thus administered from the previous spot. [Edited by Foot-n-bats on Sep 23rd, 2004 at 03:58 PM] |
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IP which occurs during the play (12th player runs on the field after the ball is snapped) is different. Here's my take on a 12th R player entering during the down: 1. If he does not participate or hinder play, it is a non-player foul that is administered from the succeeding spot. 2. If he does participate, then it could be eligible for PSK if his foul is on R's side on the neutral zone and all of the other criteria is met. Jonathan |
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