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Old Tue Dec 18, 2001, 10:18am
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No, not you Tony. You are always the soul of diplomacy,
on an everlasting quest to find the common ground in any
dispute.

[/B][/QUOTE]That made me puke on my own shoes!:
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Old Tue Dec 18, 2001, 11:08am
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No it was not me. If I had been working with Lark's partner I can assure you that I would have been readjusting my partner's attitude during half time of the seventh grade game. I will admit that sometimes during jr. H.S. and freshmen games my partner and I will use the college mechnic of no long switches on non-shooting fouls. But I ain't as young as I use to be.

But on a more serious note, nothing steams me more than veteran officials showing up to collect a paycheck for a jr. H.S. DH. Yes, jr. H.S. games require good game managament and sometimes there are a lot of things that we do not see in a varsity or college game. But I use a dual approach to jr. H.S. games. First, these players deserve 100% professionalism from my partner and me. Of course, we have to officiate the game according to the skill of the players but we must to that within the spirit of the rules. Second, jr. H.S. games are paid practice under game conditions. In a jr. H.S. game you might see a weird play a couple of times that you might see only once every two years at the varsity or college level. But if you see it a number of times over the course of a season at the jr. H.S. level it does not suprise you at the upper levels of play when it can suprise you. And thirdly (I know I said dual approach), I get to officiate many times with my first year students. This is an opportunity to see them work and to work with them under game conditions. Plus, it is fun officiating jr. H.S. games, and sometimes difficult to emotionally as a father whose oldest son will be playing jr H.S. basketball next school year. When a player goes down hurt or misses a layup that could have won the game for his team I am affected by it knowing that next year I could be that payer's father in the stands.
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Old Tue Dec 18, 2001, 03:24pm
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Mark T.,good post.I think no matter what level you referee,you have to realise that the players take it with the same importance as an NBA final.It means something to them-so it should mean something to you,too.Most of us really do referee for the players and the love of the game.
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Old Tue Dec 18, 2001, 03:41pm
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Mark T.,good post.I think no matter what level you referee,you have to realise that the players take it with the same importance as an NBA final.It means something to them-so it should mean something to you,too.Most of us really do referee for the players and the love of the game.
Well, my plan is to shake this one off...make sure I shake off the bad habits formed by the 3 game experience...and move on. I want to work for this assignor but I know how things work...I'm the new kid so hopefully he was the exception to the guys who work for him rather than the rule.

It was weird...we didnt pregame much...I asked about any special league rules (Isolation, last minute of play etc) and he didnt offer much more.

I used this as a learning. If I am ever the Referee (which I was a couple games this past Sunday), I'm going to run my games as close to book as I can. Pregame with the U. For 3rd - 6th grade, a quick special league rules review with the coaches (I've found this VERY helpful). Solid discussion with the clock person and scorers...and hopefully the correct mechanics. From there....I just gotta see it!

Thanks to all for the feedback, this was a good thread for me.

Larks (VIT)
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Old Tue Dec 18, 2001, 03:58pm
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Mark great post. I agree about the strange play thing. We had a situation in Colorado a couple years ago and for the life of me I can't remember what it was. It was brought up in a meeting as something that happened durring a playoff game. All those who had worked JH games during the season had the answer right off. The vets who only saw varsity didn't have a clue.

I don't see too much pregame either at the JH level. Hopefully I get a chance like last night where I traveled with my partner to the game. We informally pregamed all the way taking referee magazine and running through some of the situations that were brought up last month.
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