Patrick vs. Stern

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I guess that is just based on how you look at it. You see Nash get up damn near immediately after he realizes what just happen. Nash charges Horry and is intercepted by officials and teammates. The main angle I see you do not even see Stoudemire in the picture. You have to see the angle from the end line to even see how far Stoudemire came out on the floor. But when you see the coaching staff push him back to the bench, you see how far away he came. It was not like he took a step or two toward the situation. He was damn near at half court. I guess you really need to look at the film again. After all you did put “blind” in your moniker.



You argue like a little kid. When the discussion does not go your way, you start getting personal. Is this discussion too hard for you to handle? It sounds that way. Because most times you start calling names when someone thinks you are full of it (like you are right now). I have not one time got personal with you or accused you of anything other than having a flawed argument, which in my opinion you do.



You sound like a fan boy. I know Golden State was not rewarded for anything when Davis gave an elbow Fisher and elbow, maybe because they have some damn self-control. I am a Pistons fan and I do not give Wallace a pass for his behavior. He even got T’d up tonight for not having self-control and he deserved it. Why could the Suns players not behave with more control?

I did not see any Spur players come off the bench during the same "altercation." I wonder why that was the case? Maybe because they are champions and the Suns have an MVP that cannot win any championships? Ya think?

Peace

From your first reply to me:

And I am sure the NBA does not really care what you personally think, they are not getting your dollar anyway.

Sounds kinda personal, huh?

I live in freaking Phoenix dude, I've seen the play and aftermath about 1000 times, my version of it is a hell of a lot closer to reality than the BS you were sprewing...and no I don't follow the Suns, and haven't watched an entire NBA game in probably 10 years.

FYI, we never saw a camera angle from the Spurs half of the court, now did we...and since the NBA handled all of this after the fact, we will never know...we do know that two of them came off the bench earlier.

For someone who claims to not want to get personal and waste your time, you sure respond all the time and almost always with at least one condescending, sarcastic comment. And I'm the one acting like a little kid...try looking up the word hypocrite.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

From your first reply to me:

And I am sure the NBA does not really care what you personally think, they are not getting your dollar anyway.

Sounds kinda personal, huh?

That was offensive to you? Wow, if anything I was repeating your sentiment that you have discussed here several times. I hate to see what fans say to you and how you react when they say something really mean.

Originally Posted by blindzebra

I live in freaking Phoenix dude, I've seen the play and aftermath about 1000 times, my version of it is a hell of a lot closer to reality than the BS you were sprewing...and no I don't follow the Suns, and haven't watched an entire NBA game in probably 10 years.

I cannot tell. You seemed all fired up about the way a league does something and you do not watch it. Once again, the NBA is not getting your dollar. Sorry for the insulting words.

Originally Posted by blindzebra

FYI, we never saw a camera angle from the Spurs half of the court, now did we...and since the NBA handled all of this after the fact, we will never know...we do know that two of them came off the bench earlier.

So. I do know that you cannot see any Spurs players on the court players on the court from the angles that have been shown, but you do see the Suns down by the incident. BTW, I am going to guess that the NBA had all the footage and footage you will never see from the game. Just a guess on my part.

Originally Posted by blindzebra

For someone who claims to not want to get personal and waste your time, you sure respond all the time and almost always with at least one condescending, sarcastic comment. And I'm the one acting like a little kid...try looking up the word hypocrite.

Just admit you are a fan boy and if you lived in San Antonio you would think the suspensions were warranted. I guess that is too personal for you to handle.

Peace

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That was offensive to you? Wow, if anything I was repeating your sentiment that you have discussed here several times. I hate to see what fans say to you and how you react when they say something really mean.



I cannot tell. You seemed all fired up about the way a league does something and you do not watch it. Once again, the NBA is not getting your dollar. Sorry for the insulting words.



So. I do know that you cannot see any Spurs players on the court players on the court from the angles that have been shown, but you do see the Suns down by the incident. BTW, I am going to guess that the NBA had all the footage and footage you will never see from the game. Just a guess on my part.



Just admit you are a fan boy and if you lived in San Antonio you would think the suspensions were warranted. I guess that is too personal for you to handle.

Peace

I love it when you prove my point...once again, you say you don't have time, you say you don't get personal...and here you are replying and once again sporting the condescending tone, with sarcastic comments.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

I love it when you prove my point...once again, you say you don't have time, you say you don't get personal...and here you are replying and once again sporting the condescending tone, with sarcastic comments.

I admit that I am being very condescending but that is largely a result of your attitude. I am discussing an opinion that I happen to share with others and that I formed on my own. You are making this about some larger issue of how you feel about me. Remember you said you did not like the NBA but you are discussing it like a big time fan-boy. I am not the biggest fan of the NBA either, but that is largely because of the players I loved as a younger are gone. I do not watch as much, but I am still a big sports fan and follow the goings on of the NBA as well as other sports I do not watch regularly.

If you do not like the sarcastic comments, do not say things that would bring on such comments. Once again I was only responding to your point of view, I was talking about you at all. But like a little baby that gets their feelings hurt, you started throwing out insults. While trying to suggest that I am not giving facts that you have not disputed other than semantics. The NBA followed their rule and you do not like the interpretation even thought they have been applying this rule the same way for years. I have no problem throwing a couple of barbs back at you because I can do that. I just call it how I see it and you are acting like a little baby. But I guess I cannot point out that you are an admitted anti-NBA fan but you happen to live in Phoenix and have a strong opinion about what happen with a team you do not care about. I guess that is what you call sarcasm.

Peace

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I admit that I am being very condescending but that is largely a result of your attitude. I am discussing an opinion that I happen to share with others and that I formed on my own. You are making this about some larger issue of how you feel about me. Remember you said you did not like the NBA but you are discussing it like a big time fan-boy. I am not the biggest fan of the NBA either, but that is largely because of the players I loved as a younger are gone. I do not watch as much, but I am still a big sports fan and follow the goings on of the NBA as well as other sports I do not watch regularly.

If you do not like the sarcastic comments, do not say things that would bring on such comments. Once again I was only responding to your point of view, I was talking about you at all. But like a little baby that gets their feelings hurt, you started throwing out insults. While trying to suggest that I am not giving facts that you have not disputed other than semantics. The NBA followed their rule and you do not like the interpretation even thought they have been applying this rule the same way for years. I have no problem throwing a couple of barbs back at you because I can do that. I just call it how I see it and you are acting like a little baby. But I guess I cannot point out that you are an admitted anti-NBA fan but you happen to live in Phoenix and have a strong opinion about what happen with a team you do not care about. I guess that is what you call sarcasm.

Peace

So as officials we can't discuss a problematic ruling in basketball on an officials forum about basketball without being a fan boy, huh? Brilliant reasoning on your part.

So much of the NBA, whether we are fans or not, impact us as officials. Being aware of a problem with a rule...pointing out something equally or perhaps worse that isn't covered by that rule...feeling that the rules original intent wasn't being applied correctly and perhaps never was...are all valid points of discussion.

Critical thinking about rules application is a valuable exercise, and being that the NBA playoffs are about the only thing going where we all have access to the same experience right now, we should all be free to voice an opinion on the correctness of the situation; regardless of where we might live. Frankly, I don't care if you believe I don't care about the Suns or the NBA or not...I don't value your opinion enough to care.

Perhaps if you were actually as accepting of other peoples opinions as you like to claim instead of coming across like an arrogant jerk, I and others would not feel the need to tear into you for your opinion.

[JRutledge]

Wow, I have to be arrogant because I think your point of view does not hold water. Really original there BZ. Next time can you come up with something original than calling a person arrogant because they do not agree with you.

One of these days you will realize that no one here ultimately gives a damn about your opinion or my opinion for that matter.

We have never met big guy and likely never will. It is not like I am hanging on every word you have to say. Is that sarcastic enough for you there big guy?

Peace