Patrick vs. Stern

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

What did Stoudamire or Diaw start?

I did not realize you had to start something. I thought the rule dealt with an altercation not about "starting something."

Once again, there was no "altercation" when Duncan was on the floor. The two situations are not the same on any level.

Peace

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not realize you had to start something. I thought the rule dealt with an altercation not about "starting something."

Once again, there was no "altercation" when Duncan was on the floor. The two situations are not the same on any level.

Peace

Ridiculous.

The potential for something happening was exactly the same in both cases.

You had contact, that was hard in both cases...the difference was in Horry's case it was a deliberate act...you had players not directly involved in the play coming on the floor in both cases...again the difference was that Stoudemire and Diaw responded to a flagrant act, while Duncan responded to an unfortunate turn by a defender that caused a player to hit the floor.

An altercation could not escalate from the foot or so Stoudemire and Diaw came onto the floor, and altercation very well could have from the several feet Duncan came out...he was inside the 3 point line for crying out loud.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Ridiculous.

The potential for something happening was exactly the same in both cases.

You had contact, that was hard in both cases...the difference was in Horry's case it was a deliberate act...you had players not directly involved in the play coming on the floor in both cases...again the difference was that Stoudemire and Diaw responded to a flagrant act, while Duncan responded to an unfortunate turn by a defender that caused a player to hit the floor.

An altercation could not escalate from the foot or so Stoudemire and Diaw came onto the floor, and altercation very well could have from the several feet Duncan came out...he was inside the 3 point line for crying out loud.

The rule is not based on potential, but what is actually happening on the court. Even in our rules sets we would not eject someone from a game just because they left the bench. The actual circumstances dictate what we call. The NBA once had a problem with players leaving the bench and having some very infamous fights that led to this rule. And if the NBA did not have such a rule, then people like yourself would be complaining the NBA is "thuggish" and not suitable for children. Wait a minute, people already have that opinion about the NBA and they have fewer fights than pretty much any other league as a result of their fines and suspension policies. Even the NHL put in a similar rule that prevents players coming off of the bench and now fights are pretty much a one on one affair in a sport that condones fighting.

We will just have to agree to disagree, because in the Duncan situation there was no fight or even contentious situation. The players involved did not even look at each other. When Nash was put into the boards, he got up ready to fight and as events escalated players were shoving and pushing and needed to be separated. Not the same thing.

Peace

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The rule is not based on potential, but what is actually happening on the court. Even in our rules sets we would not eject someone from a game just because they left the bench. The actual circumstances dictate what we call. The NBA once had a problem with players leaving the bench and having some very infamous fights that led to this rule. And if the NBA did not have such a rule, then people like yourself would be complaining the NBA is "thuggish" and not suitable for children. Wait a minute, people already have that opinion about the NBA and they have fewer fights than pretty much any other league as a result of their fines and suspension policies. Even the NHL put in a similar rule that prevents players coming off of the bench and now fights are pretty much a one on one affair in a sport that condones fighting.

We will just have to agree to disagree, because in the Duncan situation there was no fight or even contentious situation. The players involved did not even look at each other. When Nash was put into the boards, he got up ready to fight and as events escalated players were shoving and pushing and needed to be separated. Not the same thing.

Peace

Totally incorrect yet again.

Nash did not immediately jump up, infact Stoudemire and Diaw both returned to their bench before Nash went after Horry. Now one could argue that at the time they come onto the floor Horry was sticking an elbow into Bells throat, but even that was near the time Nash got there and not when Nash was still lying on the floor.

But since when have you ever brought facts to the discussion.

The simple truth is SA was rewarded for thuggish behavior. One of the NBA's poster boys, once again got to skate, and because Stern lacked the common sense and gonads to rule fairly, what would otherwise have been a great series will be tainted.

In other words, everything that is wrong with the NBA...well not everything.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Totally incorrect yet again.

Nash did not immediately jump up, infact Stoudemire and Diaw both returned to their bench before Nash went after Horry. Now one could argue that at the time they come onto the floor Horry was sticking an elbow into Bells throat, but even that was near the time Nash got there and not when Nash was still lying on the floor.

I guess that is just based on how you look at it. You see Nash get up damn near immediately after he realizes what just happen. Nash charges Horry and is intercepted by officials and teammates. The main angle I see you do not even see Stoudemire in the picture. You have to see the angle from the end line to even see how far Stoudemire came out on the floor. But when you see the coaching staff push him back to the bench, you see how far away he came. It was not like he took a step or two toward the situation. He was damn near at half court. I guess you really need to look at the film again. After all you did put “blind” in your moniker.

Originally Posted by blindzebra

But since when have you ever brought facts to the discussion.

You argue like a little kid. When the discussion does not go your way, you start getting personal. Is this discussion too hard for you to handle? It sounds that way. Because most times you start calling names when someone thinks you are full of it (like you are right now). I have not one time got personal with you or accused you of anything other than having a flawed argument, which in my opinion you do.

Originally Posted by blindzebra

The simple truth is SA was rewarded for thuggish behavior. One of the NBA's poster boys, once again got to skate, and because Stern lacked the common sense and gonads to rule fairly, what would otherwise have been a great series will be tainted.

In other words, everything that is wrong with the NBA...well not everything.

You sound like a fan boy. I know Golden State was not rewarded for anything when Davis gave an elbow Fisher and elbow, maybe because they have some damn self-control. I am a Pistons fan and I do not give Wallace a pass for his behavior. He even got T’d up tonight for not having self-control and he deserved it. Why could the Suns players not behave with more control?

I did not see any Spur players come off the bench during the same "altercation." I wonder why that was the case? Maybe because they are champions and the Suns have an MVP that cannot win any championships? Ya think?

Peace

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I guess that is just based on how you look at it. You see Nash get up damn near immediately after he realizes what just happen. Nash charges Horry and is intercepted by officials and teammates. The main angle I see you do not even see Stoudemire in the picture. You have to see the angle from the end line to even see how far Stoudemire came out on the floor. But when you see the coaching staff push him back to the bench, you see how far away he came. It was not like he took a step or two toward the situation. He was damn near at half court. I guess you really need to look at the film again. After all you did put “blind” in your moniker.



You argue like a little kid. When the discussion does not go your way, you start getting personal. Is this discussion too hard for you to handle? It sounds that way. Because most times you start calling names when someone thinks you are full of it (like you are right now). I have not one time got personal with you or accused you of anything other than having a flawed argument, which in my opinion you do.



You sound like a fan boy. I know Golden State was not rewarded for anything when Davis gave an elbow Fisher and elbow, maybe because they have some damn self-control. I am a Pistons fan and I do not give Wallace a pass for his behavior. He even got T’d up tonight for not having self-control and he deserved it. Why could the Suns players not behave with more control?

I did not see any Spur players come off the bench during the same "altercation." I wonder why that was the case? Maybe because they are champions and the Suns have an MVP that cannot win any championships? Ya think?

Peace

From your first reply to me:

And I am sure the NBA does not really care what you personally think, they are not getting your dollar anyway.

Sounds kinda personal, huh?

I live in freaking Phoenix dude, I've seen the play and aftermath about 1000 times, my version of it is a hell of a lot closer to reality than the BS you were sprewing...and no I don't follow the Suns, and haven't watched an entire NBA game in probably 10 years.

FYI, we never saw a camera angle from the Spurs half of the court, now did we...and since the NBA handled all of this after the fact, we will never know...we do know that two of them came off the bench earlier.

For someone who claims to not want to get personal and waste your time, you sure respond all the time and almost always with at least one condescending, sarcastic comment. And I'm the one acting like a little kid...try looking up the word hypocrite.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

From your first reply to me:

And I am sure the NBA does not really care what you personally think, they are not getting your dollar anyway.

Sounds kinda personal, huh?

That was offensive to you? Wow, if anything I was repeating your sentiment that you have discussed here several times. I hate to see what fans say to you and how you react when they say something really mean.

Originally Posted by blindzebra

I live in freaking Phoenix dude, I've seen the play and aftermath about 1000 times, my version of it is a hell of a lot closer to reality than the BS you were sprewing...and no I don't follow the Suns, and haven't watched an entire NBA game in probably 10 years.

I cannot tell. You seemed all fired up about the way a league does something and you do not watch it. Once again, the NBA is not getting your dollar. Sorry for the insulting words.

Originally Posted by blindzebra

FYI, we never saw a camera angle from the Spurs half of the court, now did we...and since the NBA handled all of this after the fact, we will never know...we do know that two of them came off the bench earlier.

So. I do know that you cannot see any Spurs players on the court players on the court from the angles that have been shown, but you do see the Suns down by the incident. BTW, I am going to guess that the NBA had all the footage and footage you will never see from the game. Just a guess on my part.

Originally Posted by blindzebra

For someone who claims to not want to get personal and waste your time, you sure respond all the time and almost always with at least one condescending, sarcastic comment. And I'm the one acting like a little kid...try looking up the word hypocrite.

Just admit you are a fan boy and if you lived in San Antonio you would think the suspensions were warranted. I guess that is too personal for you to handle.

Peace

[ColdShot]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not see any Spur players come off the bench during the same "altercation." I wonder why that was the case? Maybe because they are champions and the Suns have an MVP that cannot win any championships? Ya think?

Peace

He, he: *You* sound like a Spurs fan boy, Rut.