Can you clarify?

In an obviously poorly written response to Mark T calling a team control a common foul, which it is, I metaphorically miscued an exemplary example of why the common foul is not a straight-up match to the definition of a PC/TC.

I guess my post was not intuitively obvious to every casual observer with it being common knowledge that free throws are not awarded on TC/PC fouls.

But I am really sorry I even posted.

Sorry !

No problem, I understand, but others may not.

I know you think I understood what you were trying to say, etc, etc, etc

I hear that, Franktown !! :)

As others have said...b. But, now that we have the TC foul, it is almost redundant to have the PC foul too. In all but one case, they are exactly the same.

The team control foul is a common foul commited by a player on the team that has control of the ball. A player holding or dribbling the ball technically commits a PC foul but nothing about it is differnet than the TC foul...same action, same time period, same penalty, just that the player also has player control.

The ONLY part that is different is the airborne shooter part.

They could effectively combine the TC and PC rules into a singe type of foul and add the airborne shooter clause to cover that and they'd have only one rule.

How about:

An offensive foul is a common foul
a. committed by a player while holding or dribbling the ball inbounds;
b. committed by a player whose team has team control at the time of the foul;
c. committed by an airborne shooter;
d. committed during a throw-in by a player on the team entitled to the throw-in, until the ball is controlled inbounds.

("d." is kind of awkward, but it's shorter than "committed by a player whose team is entitled to a throw-in; such foul being committed after the ball has become live to begin the throw-in and before the ball is controlled inbounds".)

MAJOR DISCLAIMER: This is NOT the current rule. It's my suggestion for how to re-write the rule so that we would have one type of foul for all "offensive"-type fouls, which might -- someday -- include fouls by the offense during a throw-in. Sorry for the confusion!

Um, dont think there is team control in HS on throw-ins. You might want to check statement D.

You might want to check the thread on the new NFHS rules...

Oh are the new rule in effect now or when the season begins?

Well, around here we use start using them at all of our summer camps and clinics so coaches and players get used to them before next November when it counts...so I would say they are in effect now.

My mistake then!

The only change having to do with throw-in's is that the throw-in ends when the ball is "legally" touched. I don't think they changed the status of no team control during a throw-in.

Team control (offensive foul) during a throw-in?? For NFHS?? Really?

Really! Scrappy was talking about how the rule could possibly be re-written to combine PC and TC fouls, <b>not</b> what the rule actually is now. Neither you or IREFU2 comprehended that.