4 Guys on the floor....

[blindofficial]

What's the rule for the following:

T1 comes out of the timeout with only 4 players. Play resumes. Can T1 bring in there 5th player (he was playing before the timeout), or does he have to wait for a dead ball? And if T1 brings in a 5th player, is the ball dead and a "T" given? I never thought this would happen, but it happened twice this past weekend.

[Nevadaref]

Rule 10 Fouls and Penalties
SECTION 1 TEAM TECHNICAL
A team shall not:
...
ART. 9 . . . Fail to have all players return to the court at approximately the same time following a time-out or intermission.
PENALTY: (Section 1) Two free throws plus ball for division-line throw-in.

DELAYING RETURN FOLLOWING TIME-OUT
10.1.9 SITUATION: Following a charged time-out Team B is still with their coach on the sideline when the official sounds the whistle to indicate play will resume. Four players of B return to the court just in time to play defense as A1 attempts an unsuccessful three-pointer. B1 rebounds and throws a long pass to B5 who enters the court just in time to catch the pass. RULING: A technical foul is immediately charged to Team B for failing to have all players return to the court at approximately the same time following a time-out or intermission. While it is true the entire team may be off the court while the procedure is being used, once a team responds, all players must enter the court at approximately the same time. COMMENT: The resumption-of-play procedure is in effect to start the second half unless either team is not on the court. In that case regular delay provisions are in force.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Rule 10 Fouls and Penalties
SECTION 1 TEAM TECHNICAL
A team shall not:
...
ART. 9 . . . Fail to have all players return to the court at approximately the same time following a time-out or intermission.
PENALTY: (Section 1) Two free throws plus ball for division-line throw-in.

DELAYING RETURN FOLLOWING TIME-OUT
10.1.9 SITUATION: Following a charged time-out Team B is still with their coach on the sideline when the official sounds the whistle to indicate play will resume. Four players of B return to the court just in time to play defense as A1 attempts an unsuccessful three-pointer. B1 rebounds and throws a long pass to B5 who enters the court just in time to catch the pass. RULING: A technical foul is immediately charged to Team B for failing to have all players return to the court at approximately the same time following a time-out or intermission. While it is true the entire team may be off the court while the procedure is being used, once a team responds, all players must enter the court at approximately the same time. COMMENT: The resumption-of-play procedure is in effect to start the second half unless either team is not on the court. In that case regular delay provisions are in force.

This case play doesn't answer the question of what the call is if the fifth player doesn't come back on the court until the next legal substitution opportunity.

[Nevadaref]

It sure does.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

DELAYING RETURN FOLLOWING TIME-OUT
10.1.9 SITUATION: Following a charged time-out Team B is still with their coach on the sideline when the official sounds the whistle to indicate play will resume. Four players of B return to the court just in time to play defense as A1 attempts an unsuccessful three-pointer. B1 rebounds and throws a long pass to B5 who enters the court just in time to catch the pass. RULING: A technical foul is immediately charged to Team B for failing to have all players return to the court at approximately the same time following a time-out or intermission. While it is true the entire team may be off the court while the procedure is being used, once a team responds, all players must enter the court at approximately the same time. COMMENT: The resumption-of-play procedure is in effect to start the second half unless either team is not on the court. In that case regular delay provisions are in force.

A fifth player waiting at the scorer's table until the next substitution opportunity clearly is not entering the court at approximately the same time as his teammates.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

It sure does.



A fifth player waiting at the scorer's table until the next substitution opportunity clearly is not entering the court at approximately the same time as his teammates.

But not mention in this case play that the officials should have called a T if they had noticed only four B players on the floor when play started. Why is that?

[Nevadaref]

Perhaps the officials didn't notice, perhaps the rules committee believes there is no need for a case play stating to immediately call a T as it is obvious from the rule, or perhaps the rules committee felt that it was more important to use the case play to explain the reasoning behind why all of the players have to return at the same time -- it could be used deceptively to gain an advantage in the manner described in the case play.

Just some thoughts.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Perhaps the officials didn't notice, perhaps the rules committee believes there is no need for a case play stating to immediately call a T as it is obvious from the rule, or perhaps the rules committee felt that it was more important to use the case play to explain the reasoning behind why all of the players have to return at the same time -- it could be used deceptively to gain an advantage in the manner described in the case play.

Just some thoughts.

Possibly. Or perhaps because there is no advantage gained from unknowingly having only 4 players returned and no penalty is needed unless the 5th one joins in while the ball is live? I've often wondered why and would like a clarification from NFHS.