NFHS New Rules are posted

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by BigGref

And they have finally added a signal that a lot of people have been doing for years (including myself) the "if you were just 2 feet closer you would be getting the chop, signal"

That signal has been kind of a pet peeve of mine. If the player is closely guarded, I have a count. If the player is not close enough, there's no count. Pretty simple.

I can see this happening - A1 dribbles from the back court, I've got my 10-sec. count going. They cross the center line, I put my arm down, and B comes over to guard, but not close enough, so I hold up both arms. B steps closer, so I start a 5-sec. count. A1 starts dribbling, so I start another count with my other arm. When A1 backs up, I hold out both arms. Then B1 gets closer, so I start another count. A1 flips a pass to A2, who isn't being closely guarded, so I hold out both arms. Well, until B2 comes over to guard, then I start a count. Then B2 starts to dribble away, so I hold out both arms again... My arms are already tired and this is only in the first minute of the game!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

That signal has been kind of a pet peeve of mine. If the player is closely guarded, I have a count. If the player is not close enough, there's no count. Pretty simple.

I am going to have to disagree with you (I do not expect you to get mad about it like some people). I think this is a good signal. This is one of those signals that can give information. It tells everyone you are not counting for a specific reason. Many times you may not count, but they are still calling for a count. This signal will tell everyone exactly why. Usually this would take place on a one on one situation where the players are up top and the defender cannot decide if he wants to guard the player or stand back. I think it adds to information. When you stop a count you could be stopping it for many reasons. It is not a signal you have to use or use at all. I think just like the kicking signal, it gives information.

Peace

[MJT]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am going to have to disagree with you (I do not expect you to get mad about it like some people). I think this is a good signal. This is one of those signals that can give information. It tells everyone you are not counting for a specific reason. Many times you may not count, but they are still calling for a count. This signal will tell everyone exactly why. Usually this would take place on a one on one situation where the players are up top and the defender cannot decide if he wants to guard the player or stand back. I think it adds to information. When you stop a count you could be stopping it for many reasons. It is not a signal you have to use or use at all. I think just like the kicking signal, it gives information.

Peace

My thoughts exactly Rut!

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am going to have to disagree with you (I do not expect you to get mad about it like some people). I think this is a good signal. This is one of those signals that can give information. It tells everyone you are not counting for a specific reason. Many times you may not count, but they are still calling for a count. This signal will tell everyone exactly why. Usually this would take place on a one on one situation where the players are up top and the defender cannot decide if he wants to guard the player or stand back. I think it adds to information. When you stop a count you could be stopping it for many reasons. It is not a signal you have to use or use at all. I think just like the kicking signal, it gives information.

Peace

What?!? Are you disagreeing with me?!?

Never mind.

Actually, on one level, I agree with you - it does convey information. And, if it will now be an approved signal, I will probably start using it. My pet peeve is officials using unapproved signals when they didn't need to. If I was counting, it was a closely-guarded situation. If I wasn't counting, it wasn't. I didn't think it was necessary to not count, and give a signal as well. It was redundant. It was redundant. Get what I mean? Get what I mean?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

What?!? Are you disagreeing with me?!?

Never mind.

You got a problem with it, wanna fight about it? (That is for my Family Guy friends. )

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Actually, on one level, I agree with you - it does convey information. And, if it will now be an approved signal, I will probably start using it. My pet peeve is officials using unapproved signals when they didn't need to. If I was counting, it was a closely-guarded situation. If I wasn't counting, it wasn't. I didn't think it was necessary to not count, and give a signal as well. It was redundant. It was redundant. Get what I mean? Get what I mean?

I only used the signal during college games. I would only use it a handful of times an entire season. I just think the signal is best used during specific situations and should be used sparingly.

Peace

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You got a problem with it, wanna fight about it? (That is for my Family Guy friends. )

My kids watch that all the time. The few times I've seen it, it loks pretty funny.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I only used the signal during college games. I would only use it a handful of times an entire season. I just think the signal is best used during specific situations and should be used sparingly.

Peace

I agree.

I agree.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

My kids watch that all the time. The few times I've seen it, it loks pretty funny.

You let your kids watch that show? I would find it hard for most kids to completely understand. The references on that show are often very adult from the standpoint that you have to be older to understand the pop culture reference.

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I agree.

I agree.

You are not going to beat me up now are you?

Peace

[tjones1]

Interesting changes...I agree I like the new mechanic as it gives information if used properly.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You let your kids watch that show? I would find it hard for most kids to completely understand. The references on that show are often very adult from the standpoint that you have to be older to understand the pop culture reference.

They understand most of it. I agree there's a few things that go over their head. It's not much different than when I was a kid, Rocky and Bullwinkle was a favorite of mine. It wasn't until much later did I see some of the adult references.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You are not going to beat me up now are you?

Naw, I'll just slap you silly.

[TRef21]

Before we know it high school rules will be the same as college....

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by TRef21

Before we know it high school rules will be the same as college....

NFHS is known for following college by a year or two.

[Rich]

So now we have a player foul out and there will be a horn FIVE SECONDS after we start the clock? Wow.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by TRef21

Before we know it high school rules will be the same as college....

I would not go that far. None of the new rules that I can tell this year have anything to do with the college game. The only thing added was a signal, which is not really a rule. I would not be surprised if some areas choose not to use the signal which is completely their right to do so.

Also understand that the NF tries to keep things as simple as possible when they create or change rules. Even when they adopt a college rule, the NF does not usually take on the entire rule. For example the Team Control Foul that was adopted 2 years ago did not take on all facets of the rule and still is not identical to how the college rule reads. Even POI is not the same as the NCAA Rule. They try to keep things simple so the rookie official to the 50 year veteran can handle the understanding. Not that it always works, but that appears to be their goal.

Peace