NFHS New Rules are posted

[26 Year Gap]

Is the spread eagle mandatory all the time, or just when you hear a chirp?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

It may be a situation where you inform the coach he has 5 seconds to choose a sub once the clock starts on this particular disqualification. You then walk slowly to the reporting area and say "S-T-A-R-T T-H-E C-L-O-C-K."

What situation are you thinking of?

I can't think of any reason not to use whatever the procedure the new rule sets out. I'm with Jeff. It's the coach's job to adjust and get a sub at the table before 20 seconds are up.

[Old School]

The adjustments made with the warning horns seems ridiculous to me. Way too much time spent in that area. I say there are bigger fish to fry in the rules then this one.

Spreading the arms is good because when I did it before, I was chastised for using college mechanics in a HS game, even though no harm was done and it conveyed information, it was still viewed as wrong. Now, it is apart of the mechanic, this is a very good thing. Another thing, in college, I seldom used this mechanic so my bet is it will be the same at a HS game.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Old School

Spreading the arms is good because when I did it before, I was chastised for using college mechanics in a HS game, even though no harm was done and it conveyed information, it was still viewed as wrong. Now, it is apart of the mechanic, this is a very good thing. Another thing, in college, I seldom used this mechanic so my bet is it will be the same at a HS game.

So, the way I read your post...you knowingly use a college-only mechanic in HS games and then say you seldom use it in college games? Do you institute a shot clock at your HS games too?

[tmp44]

The general theme of many of the rules was to become like college rules/mechanics -- warning horn on 30 sec. TOs to 15, spread eagle mechanic. Does anyone thing that what is posted on the NFHS site, re: the warning sound for subs at 5 after a DQ is a typo?

The college rule is a horn at 15 and 20 -- Rule 4-17-5 -- the way the new rules seem, it would seem to me that the NF would want this to be in effect, not a horn at 5 and 20.

Thoughts?

[Mark Padgett]

I'm going to start using signals to indicate why I'm not calling every possible call. I've always wanted to look like a mime - NOT!!!!!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by tmp44

Does anyone thing that what is posted on the NFHS site, re: the warning sound for subs at 5 after a DQ is a typo?

No, I think that the NFHS did this on purpose. Now all warning horns are sounded 15 seconds prior to the end of the interval. Go take a look at my previous post in this thread.

[brianp134]

I was looking at the new rules, but was wondering what the POE's were for the upcoming season. I did notice that there were 4 POE's but there was no statement elaborating on them. Does anybody know what the POE's are?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by brianp134

I was looking at the new rules, but was wondering what the POE's were for the upcoming season. I did notice that there were 4 POE's but there was no statement elaborating on them. Does anybody know what the POE's are?

The POEs are at the bottom of the link. They do not elaborate on them at this time. They just tell you what they are.

Peace

[socalreff]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

So, the way I read your post...you knowingly use a college-only mechanic in HS games and then say you seldom use it in college games? Do you institute a shot clock at your HS games too?

I do implement the shot clock in hs games.... of course I'm in CA.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

What?!? The "spread arms" signal for non-closely-guarded is back?

Sigh...I can already tell my arms will be tired this season. And I'm not even flying in from anywhere...

I think this is the best thing and it will keep coach and players from yelling 5 secons Ref!!!!!

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

I think this is the best thing and it will keep coach and players from yelling 5 secons Ref!!!!!

Do you really think that will stop because of a new hand signal? You're not going to stand there with your arms out the whole time a dribbler is not being defended, are you? Coaches will still yell if they think you should be counting. And officials will still have their own interpretation of how close a defender needs to be in order to start a count. This new signal isn't going to change much of the complaining.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Do you really think that will stop because of a new hand signal? You're not going to stand there with your arms out the whole time a dribbler is not being defended, are you? Coaches will still yell if they think you should be counting. And officials will still have their own interpretation of how close a defender needs to be in order to start a count. This new signal isn't going to change much of the complaining.

I have used that mechanic in high school for the last couple of years and I think its a great non verbal communication tool, especially for the coaches. Trust me it works.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

I have used that mechanic in high school for the last couple of years

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Smitty,

It is very possible his state allowed this mechanic to be use. Mechanics are not something the NF can mandate (or try to mandate) across the board. Rules are a different issue.

Secondly it is never going to completely stop coaches from complaining. Nothing will ever stop coaches from doing that. But giving a signal will greatly help as did the Team Control Foul signal did. Before the TC foul, we had to explain why were not shooting FTs. Now the coaches see the signal and understand the concept without a word.

Peace