Self bat

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

This is why I'm Batman, and you're only Robin.

I believe this is from the original post:


Isn't this exactly a violation of 4-15-2?

Is 4-15-2 a violation?

Are you also saying that 4-15-4(b) is a violation also?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Is 4-15-2 a violation?

Um, no, but the play mentioned is a violation of that particular rule, because the ball was not allowed to hit the ground after the bat in the air.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Are you also saying that 4-15-4(b) is a violation also?

Originally Posted by Someone like Dan_ref

WTF are you talking about?? Where did I say that??

I'll be a little milder - I don't believe I said anything about a double dribble violation. I have said all along, (and only said) the play is a violation of 4-15-2.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

blah blah....

WTF are you talking about?? Where did I say that??!!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I'll be a little milder - I don't believe I said anything about a double dribble violation. I have said all along, (and only said) the play is a violation of 4-15-2.

Are all of the things listed under 4-15 explicitly violations? Or are they "definitions" that are used to call violations outlined in rule 9?

Are 4-15-1,3,4,5&6 violations?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Are all of the things listed under 4-15 explicitly violations? Or are they "definitions" that are used to call violations outlined in rule 9?

Are 4-15-1,3,4,5&6 violations?

You, my crusty old friend, are wandering into Nevada territory to defend yourself.

Why not stop talking, stand in line for the buffet lunch, then head home.

It's been fun, time to call it a day.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Are all of the things listed under 4-15 explicitly violations? Or are they "definitions" that are used to call violations outlined in rule 9?

Are 4-15-1,3,4,5&6 violations?

Maybe you need to get your prescription checked. Here, let me help:

WTF are you talking about??? I never said 4-15-2 was a violation. I said the play was a violation because it did not meet the criteria of a legal dribble outlined in 4-15-2!!!

Ahh...I feel better now.

I'm gonna go play some softball. And probably get struck by lightning, from the looks of it.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Are all of the things listed under 4-15 explicitly violations? Or are they "definitions" that are used to call violations outlined in rule 9?

Are 4-15-1,3,4,5&6 violations?

I have to agree - the violations are in rule 9.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

..........the violations are in rule 9.

4.15.4 SITUATION D: While dribbling: (a) A1 bats the ball over the head of an opponent, runs around the opponent, bats the ball to the floor and continues to dribble. RULING: Violation in (a) because the ball was touched twice by A1's hand(s) during a dribble, before it touched the floor.

Where, in rule 9, is this violation?

Foot movement, during a dribble, is totally irrelevant, is it not? So, if A1 bats the ball up in the air, even while standing still, is he allowed to catch it before it hits the floor? If not, then apparently, (this part would take a guy with really quick hands) during a dribble, A1 pushes the ball toward the floor, then reaches down and grabs it before it touches the floor, this would also be a violation.

One thing I am certain about, this was a really good question.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by just another ref

4.15.4 SITUATION D: While dribbling: (a) A1 bats the ball over the head of an opponent, runs around the opponent, bats the ball to the floor and continues to dribble. RULING: Violation in (a) because the ball was touched twice by A1's hand(s) during a dribble, before it touched the floor.

Where, in rule 9, is this violation?

9-5, because he's dribbling a second time (batting the ball to the floor) after the dribble ended (touching his hands a second time while in the air).

Even the casebook play says that it is a violation if it occurs "during a dribble." Catching the ball and shooting it is not a dribble.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

9-5, because he's dribbling a second time (batting the ball to the floor) after the dribble ended (touching his hands a second time while in the air).

Even the casebook play says that it is a violation if it occurs "during a dribble." Catching the ball and shooting it is not a dribble.

Where is it written that touching the ball a second time while in the air ends the dribble?