Yep, that too. ;) :D

Yeah, but he jumped after taking several steps.

Not sure. I'd blow my whistle, give the stop clock signal and yell "4-15-2!!" Think anybody would argue?

I would.

Just on principle, because you're such a big Sammy Sosa fan.

What violation? Rules citation please?

...sigh...

4-15-2.

Riddle me this, Batman.....

Rule 4-15-4(b) says that "the dribble ends when the player palms/carries the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or both hands". Is that a violation <i>per se</i>?

Also.....casebook play 4.15.4SitE(b) that you and the Scrappy One are so happy to cite (almost to the point of orgasm) uses rule 9-5 as the relevant rules reference. And what does rule 9-5 say, you ask? That one says that it's illegal to <b>DRIBBLE</b> a <b>SECOND</b> time after the first dribble has <b>ENDED</b>. In the play being discussed, did anybody dribble a second time after ending their dribble? Scrappy? M? Beuller?

This is why I'm Batman, and you're only Robin.

I believe this is from the original post:
Isn't this exactly a violation of 4-15-2?

Is 4-15-2 a violation?

Are you also saying that 4-15-4(b) is a violation also?

Um, no, but the play mentioned is a violation of that particular rule, because the ball was not allowed to hit the ground after the bat in the air.

I'll be a little milder - I don't believe I said anything about a double dribble violation. I have said all along, (and only said) the play is a violation of 4-15-2.

WTF are you talking about?? Where did I say that??!!

Are all of the things listed under 4-15 explicitly violations? Or are they "definitions" that are used to call violations outlined in rule 9?

Are 4-15-1,3,4,5&6 violations?

You, my crusty old friend, are wandering into Nevada territory to defend yourself.

Why not stop talking, stand in line for the buffet lunch, then head home.

It's been fun, time to call it a day.

Maybe you need to get your prescription checked. Here, let me help:

<font size = +3>WTF are you talking about??? I never said 4-15-2 was a violation. I said the play was a violation because it did not meet the criteria of a legal dribble outlined in 4-15-2!!!</font size>

Ahh...I feel better now.

I'm gonna go play some softball. And probably get struck by lightning, from the looks of it.

4-15-2 states what is allowed and says that, if you do that, you can continue to dribble.

Note that the illegal dribble rule (9-5) states that you can't dribble a second time after ending your first dribble. There's no penalty for a "funky" move that ends your dribble.

I have to agree - the violations are in rule 9.