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[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Aren't we beating a dead horse in this thread?

MTD, Sr.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Aren't we beating a dead horse in this thread?

MTD, Sr.

Every now and then you come across an idea so stupid it needs to be beaten- even after it's dead...Nevada's idea would certainly qualify!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Every now and then you come across an idea so stupid it needs to be beaten- even after it's dead...Nevada's idea would certainly qualify!

Why do you say that it is my idea? Do you think that I came up with it all on my own? I've already stated that FIFA does it and has done so since well before I got involved with officiating.

For those like GarthB who need to resort to namecalling and wish to add me to their ignore lists simply because we have a difference of opinion on some issue seems awfully immature and small-minded. Afterall this is a discussion forum where people can express their opinions.
But go ahead use your ignore function, it won't hurt me any.
It's also fine with me if someone doesn't agree with the views I express, but I expect them to do it civilly. I strive to do that with others. One of the first things that I wrote on this topic was that my view wasn't going to be popular. I was well-aware of that before anyone even responded. That doesn't mean that the concept is without merit or worthy of discussion.

BTW doesn't the FAA have an age limit for commerical airlines pilots? Why aren't they evaluated solely upon performance and physical fitness? Shouldn't someone be upset that we don't have 70 year-old pilots out there?

[dblref]

BTW doesn't the FAA have an age limit for commerical airlines pilots? Why aren't they evaluated solely upon performance and physical fitness? Shouldn't someone be upset that we don't have 70 year-old pilots out there?

Yes they do, but it sure ain't 50 years old. According to a friend of mine who is, or rather was, a senior pilot for American Airlines, the mandatory retirement age is 65.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why do you say that it is my idea? Do you think that I came up with it all on my own? I've already stated that FIFA does it and has done so since well before I got involved with officiating.

That doesn't mean that the concept is without merit or worthy of discussion.

Yeah, you stated what FIFA does. What you didn't state was the size of the soccer playing area versus the size of a basketball court, or the number of players either.
- an international soccer field is a minimum of 110 yards by 70 yards. The maximum size is 120 yards by 80 yards. Iow, the field must lie between 69,300 square feet and 86,600 square feet.
- A high school court is 84 feet by 50 feet and a college court is 94 feet by 50 feet. Iow, the court must lie between 4200 square feet and 4700 square feet.
- Comparing maximum dimensions, a soccer field is over EIGHTEEN(18) times bigger than a college basketball court.
- Comparing minimum dimensions a soccer field is over SIXTEEN(16) bigger than a high school court.
- Soccer uses one on-field official.
-Basketball uses a minimum of two officials and an optimum of three officials.
- One on-field soccer official is asked to keep his eye on a total of 22 players.
- Two or three basketball officials are asked to keep an eye on a total of 10 players.

Sooooo, to properly evaluate your great idea, we would have to put basketball standards at each end of a soccer field, increase the number of players per team from 5 to 11, and have ONE official try to officiate that game. Of course, you would also give him a person on each sideline to call the out-of-bounds. Under those conditions, I'll kinda agree with you that your poor l'il lonesome official out there better damnwell be in great physical condition, and age restrictions might make sense. It's the same as trying to do a college or pro football game with one official. Of course, what makes more sense would be to put more officials out on the field for better play coverage and thus cut down the physical requirements needed of an official. Obviously, FIFA...and you.....haven't been able to come up with anything quite so.....logical.....as that.

You're comparing apples to elephants.

Your whacko idea might be worthy of discussion but it sureasheck is bereft of even a shred of merit.

[rockyroad]

Wow...JR dusted off the old abacus!! However, you forgot that the main reason FIFA has to institute an age limit is to insure that the official can - after 90+ minutes of running up and down that huge field - still outrun all the hooligans doing their best to catch and kill him!!

Got a friend who just had knee surgery last month...went to visit him and his surgeon happened to be in the room checking up on him. The surgeon had to be in his late 60's...buddy is up and around and doing great. Under Nevada's logic, my buddy wouldn't have had that excellent surgeon because the guy was too old and some younger surgeon needed that experience...

[FrankHtown]

All I know is when I get on an airplane, I prefer to see the 60 year old, silver haired pilot, than a 23 year old there for the experience.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by FrankHtown

All I know is when I get on an airplane, I prefer to see the 60 year old, silver haired pilot, than a 23 year old there for the experience.

don't like flying over the rockies doing barrell rolls eh?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Wow...JR dusted off the old abacus!!

JR quit doing that when he found out that he could go blind.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

JR quit doing that when he found out that he could go blind.

Once again I have to go find a rag to wipe the coffee off my monitor...haven't had to do that since the other day when I saw that the BoSux had rallied against Rivera to win the game!!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yeah, you stated what FIFA does. What you didn't state was the size of the soccer playing area versus the size of a basketball court, or the number of players either.
- an international soccer field is a minimum of 110 yards by 70 yards. The maximum size is 120 yards by 80 yards. Iow, the field must lie between 69,300 square feet and 86,600 square feet.
- A high school court is 84 feet by 50 feet and a college court is 94 feet by 50 feet. Iow, the court must lie between 4200 square feet and 4700 square feet.
- Comparing maximum dimensions, a soccer field is over EIGHTEEN(18) times bigger than a college basketball court.
- Comparing minimum dimensions a soccer field is over SIXTEEN(16) bigger than a high school court.
- Soccer uses one on-field official.
-Basketball uses a minimum of two officials and an optimum of three officials.
- One on-field soccer official is asked to keep his eye on a total of 22 players.
- Two or three basketball officials are asked to keep an eye on a total of 10 players.

Sooooo, to properly evaluate your great idea, we would have to put basketball standards at each end of a soccer field, increase the number of players per team from 5 to 11, and have ONE official try to officiate that game. Of course, you would also give him a person on each sideline to call the out-of-bounds. Under those conditions, I'll kinda agree with you that your poor l'il lonesome official out there better damnwell be in great physical condition, and age restrictions might make sense. It's the same as trying to do a college or pro football game with one official. Of course, what makes more sense would be to put more officials out on the field for better play coverage and thus cut down the physical requirements needed of an official. Obviously, FIFA...and you.....haven't been able to come up with anything quite so.....logical.....as that.

You're comparing apples to elephants.

Your whacko idea might be worthy of discussion but it sureasheck is bereft of even a shred of merit.

So, JR, are you now saying that size matters!

Too bad that you are completely ignorant of the officiating system of soccer. It really makes all that abacus work worth absolutely nothing.

Soccer uses THREE referees, one center and two assistants, plus a 4th official on high level matches to watch the players. All of them are empowered to call fouls. The two assistants do much more than just call the ball out-of-bounds as you so sadly believe. The most recent World Cup Final proves this as, according to the official FIFA match report, it was the 4th official who observed Zidane's headbutt, told the nearest AR, and he then informed the center referee, who displayed the red card.

FYI the 4th official is soccer's most recent attempt to put more eyes on the field to observe the 22 players. FIFA has even experimented with two Center Referees, such as the NHL has implemented.

[JRutledge]

Who cares about soccer? Go to the soccer board and discuss that mess. And you knew what JR meant when he discussed on “on field referee.”

This discussion is about basketball, not soccer. I have a hard time respecting a sport and its officials when they allow a player to act like they are dying after getting a little contact, then once they are taken off on a stretcher to run right back onto the field as if nothing happens. So if FIBA wants a limit on age of when they officials work so be it. The Bottom line you came up with a lame comment and have been trying to figure out a way to have it make since. Soccer is a different sport and has a different objective. I guess you probably think that football officials should just retire as well because most of those officials at top levels are in their 50s.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Who cares about football? Go to the football board and discuss that mess.

It is officiated by a bunch of fat, old guys who can't run anyway. That is why they need six or seven of them out there.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

So, JR, are you now saying that size matters!

Too bad that you are completely ignorant of the officiating system of soccer. It really makes all that abacus work worth absolutely nothing.

Soccer uses THREE referees, one center and two assistants, plus a 4th official on high level matches to watch the players. All of them are empowered to call fouls. The two assistants do much more than just call the ball out-of-bounds as you so sadly believe. The most recent World Cup Final proves this as, according to the official FIFA match report, it was the 4th official who observed Zidane's headbutt, told the nearest AR, and he then informed the center referee, who displayed the red card.

Yes, as it relates to the size of the playing surface, I sureasheck am saying that size matters.

The two assistants in soccer are required to be on each sideline, not on the field. If either of them is required to make a call on something that occurs in the center of the field, that means that they must make their call from a minimum of 40 yards or 120 feet away. And if the play occurred 20 yards behind where the side official is located, you can add even more distance on.The basketball equivalent(high school length) would be to line up two basketball courts end-to-end, put an official at the end of the first court, and then ask them to call something that happens around center, or farther, on the next court. And at the same time add another 12 players on the courts to help block your view. Yup, that's great coverage that you're advocating, Nevada. Hell, we worry about the C in a 3-man crew calling across court, and you think that it's OK to call something that might happen a court and a half away.

I'll stick to my feelings about soccer coverage. You can't equate the officiating of that game as to how a basketball game is expected to be officiated. Or a football game, for that matter. I'll also sureashell stick to my opinion of your proposed age restrictions for basketball officials. They are strictly without merit, as in completely stoopid.