Walton / Nantz's point - 6 fouls

[Old School]

Originally Posted by MadCityRef

I see a P.O.E. next year about flopping. Saw a ton of it this year in NCAA games. It doesn't seem to work yet it's taught everywhere. Letting out a yell or moan when hit is an automatic no-call, although sometimes the kids get run over anyway. Need to find a balance.

I don't need a POE for this. I'm not having that in my games. That will be an automatic defensive foul when you start that mess. If I'm looking at a no-call, and you yell or moan and hit the deck, automatic defensive foul. That will put an end to that. If you let it go on, things tend to get worse.

I think college could go to 6 fouls because at this level we are marketing the players. More playing time might be the different in a contract to the pro's. We certainly don't want a talent like Oden having to sit the entire 1st half because of two quick fouls. Also, the game is called a little bit tighter in the NCAA then in the NBA, and when you get into the tournament, it's one and done. I think 6 fouls for college is a good idea.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

I don't need a POE for this. I'm not having that in my games. That will be an automatic defensive foul when you start that mess. If I'm looking at a no-call, and you yell or moan and hit the deck, automatic defensive foul. That will put an end to that. If you let it go on, things tend to get worse.

Exactly what defensive call are you going to make?

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Exactly what defensive call are you going to make?

Pass interference. Offsides. Encroachment.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Exactly what defensive call are you going to make?

Block! Everytime unless I got a clear offensive foul. That puts an end to it too. Remember, you only get 5 and you just pick up 2 for flopping. You be headed to the bench and I send message don't flop in my games. Flopping is okay, it's the yelling afterwards that pi$$es me off.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

Block! Everytime unless I got a clear offensive foul. That puts an end to it too. Remember, you only get 5 and you just pick up 2 for flopping. You be headed to the bench and I send message don't flop in my games. Flopping is okay, it's the yelling afterwards that pi$$es me off.

Do you know what a "flop" is?

[Adam]

Flopping is a T or a no-call. Every time I no-called it last year, if the coach said anything it was to his player.
I walked up to one player and warned him after a particularly obvious one. I said, "I know you think we've missed some calls, but don't let me catch you flopping again."
He nodded his head, said, "OK," and didn't flop the rest of the game.

[Mwanr1]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Flopping is a T or a no-call. Every time I no-called it last year, if the coach said anything it was to his player.
I walked up to one player and warned him after a particularly obvious one. I said, "I know you think we've missed some calls, but don't let me catch you flopping again."
He nodded his head, said, "OK," and didn't flop the rest of the game.

He's dumb for listening to you then. Every player is entitle a spot on the court and "FaLLING on the Ground" does not justify a foul or a T. And what if the offensive player did initial the contact?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

He's dumb for listening to you then. Every player is entitle a spot on the court and "FaLLING on the Ground" does not justify a foul or a T.

Do you ever read a rule book?

You don't have a clue what a "flop" is either.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

He's dumb for listening to you then. Every player is entitle a spot on the court and "FaLLING on the Ground" does not justify a foul or a T. And what if the offensive player did initial the contact?

Here's a hint. Read through rule 10 where it talks about technical fouls. Flopping is a technical foul for trying to influence an officials call. It's specifically mentioned.

And if the offensive player initials the contact, I'm calling a T on him for bringing a pen onto the court.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Do you know what a "flop" is?

I hear that OS's wife calls him that on a pretty regular basis.

[Mwanr1]

Originally Posted by Old School

Block! Everytime unless I got a clear offensive foul. That puts an end to it too. Remember, you only get 5 and you just pick up 2 for flopping. You be headed to the bench and I send message don't flop in my games. Flopping is okay, it's the yelling afterwards that pi$$es me off.

Who cares - and why does it piss you off? Every players are allowed to express their emotion. Why should we allow a player to yell or scream on a power dunk and not let a defensive player who "flop" scream?

[SWMOzebra]

Originally Posted by Old School

I think college could go to 6 fouls because at this level we are marketing the players. More playing time might be the different in a contract to the pro's. We certainly don't want a talent like Oden having to sit the entire 1st half because of two quick fouls.

I don't call collegiate and I have great respect for those of you who do, but to a lesser extent you get the same mentality at the HS level...little Johnny needs to play the whole game so he can get a scholarship to Duke, or Kansas, or wherever. Is it possible that many have forgotten basketball is a TEAM sport?

Part of what makes basketball the great sport that it is...is the strategy involved. So Oden picks up two quick fouls and sits the rest of the first half, the TEAM and it's COACH work strategy around that issue and win the game. I wanted Ohio State to win last night and I couldn't help notice that Oden stayed in most of the first half and was looking pretty tired by half time...and they lost despite him being in the game!

I know there are those who disagree, but I think collegiate level basketball is the highest level. The NBA is all about $$ and it makes it seem more like professional wrestling to me. I'm not taking anything away from NBA athletes because there are some that are truly amazing, but I'd rather watch college ball everytime. JMO, of course!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SWMOzebra

Part of what makes basketball the great sport that it is...is the strategy involved. So Oden picks up two quick fouls and sits the rest of the first half, the TEAM and it's COACH work strategy around that issue and win the game. I wanted Ohio State to win last night and I couldn't help notice that Oden stayed in most of the first half and was looking pretty tired by half time...

Maybe that was part of the officials' strategy to help Florida win. Keep Oden in, it'll wear him out because he's not used to playing that much.

[SWMOzebra]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Maybe that was part of the officials' strategy to help Florida win. Keep Oden in, it'll wear him out because he's not used to playing that much.

Yeah...didn't think about that! D@mn officials had it in last night for Ohio State! (joking here!!)

As for the OP, how can any serious basketball commentator suggest that an extra foul is needing to "compensate" for the third official on the floor? I'm not sure which one of the announcers last night was the more clueless of the two.

[Mwanr1]

Originally Posted by SWMOzebra

I don't call collegiate and I have great respect for those of you who do, but to a lesser extent you get the same mentality at the HS level...little Johnny needs to play the whole game so he can get a scholarship to Duke, or Kansas, or wherever. Is it possible that many have forgotten basketball is a TEAM sport?

Part of what makes basketball the great sport that it is...is the strategy involved. So Oden picks up two quick fouls and sits the rest of the first half, the TEAM and it's COACH work strategy around that issue and win the game. I wanted Ohio State to win last night and I couldn't help notice that Oden stayed in most of the first half and was looking pretty tired by half time...and they lost despite him being in the game!

I know there are those who disagree, but I think collegiate level basketball is the highest level. The NBA is all about $$ and it makes it seem more like professional wrestling to me. I'm not taking anything away from NBA athletes because there are some that are truly amazing, but I'd rather watch college ball everytime. JMO, of course!

I agree. 6 fouls in college = higher scoring. Higher scoring = more people watching it. More people watching it = higher revunue. They are finding more opp. to make more $$$ out of the college students.