Warning!! Danger!! Annual Off-topic Baseball Thread '07!! Beware!!

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I don't care what team you're a fan of, if you're a beisbol fan you gotta hope that the M's Felix Hernandez is OK. The kid is special; great to watch. He left his start last night with elbow problems.

I had not heard that - that's too bad. You're right though, it is fun to watch great players perform. I hope he's ok the rest of the season (well, at least until the Mariners/Cubs World Series...)

It does make me wonder if there really is a correaltion to the obsession with pitch counts, and all the injuries. (WARNING - The following is an Old Person Alert) Back in my day, there were many more complete games and more innings pitched, with seemingly fewer overall injuries. Now along comes Dice-K, with his pitching routine, also similarly injury-free. Is he just a freak of nature, or is it possible he represents what could happen if more pitchers followed the same routine? Are current pitchers actually being hurt by limiting their throwing, rather than the other way around?

[mick]

Caption indicates Coco and Manny are celebrating Manny's HR.
Does Coco really want to be there?

[Jurassic Referee]

Down 6-2 going into the bottom of the 9th.....

Had 'em right where we wanted 'em!

[dblref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Down 6-2 going into the bottom of the 9th.....

Had 'em right where we wanted 'em!

All's well that ends well. Better than being down 4 runs in the top of the 9th.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Down 6-2 going into the bottom of the 9th.....

Had 'em right where we wanted 'em!

So, you think A-Rod can keep doing it all weekend?

He'll need to, since it looks like the Yanks have Moe, Larry, and Curly set up in the rotation...

[mick]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

So, you think A-Rod can keep doing it all weekend?

He'll need to, since it looks like the Yanks have Moe, Larry, and Curly set up in the rotation...

M&M,
I was wondering who those guys were. Not household names in my yard.

A couple few months ago the talking heads were anticipating an MVP year for A-Rod, and he's really doing well. How can they predict something like that?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by mick

A couple few months ago the talking heads were anticipating an MVP year for A-Rod, and he's really doing well. How can they predict something like that?

He told them he was finally going to start playing???

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Down 6-2 going into the bottom of the 8th.....

Had 'em right where we wanted 'em!

How prognosticative of you!

Scoring Summary			NYY	BOS
	3rd	J Damon grounded out to shortstop, R Cano scored, M Cabrera to third.	1	0
	4th	A Rodriguez homered to left.	2	0
	4th	J Varitek homered to right center, M Lowell scored.	2	2
	5th	A Rodriguez homered to right center, D Jeter and B Abreu scored.	5	2
	8th	J Giambi singled to right, A Rodriguez scored.	6	2
	8th	M Lowell singled to left, D Ortiz scored, M Ramirez to third.	6	3
	8th	J Varitek singled to right, M Ramirez scored, M Lowell to second.	6	4
	8th	C Crisp tripled to right, M Lowell and J Varitek scored.	6	6
	8th	A Cora singled to center, C Crisp scored.	6	7

What goes around comes around.

[26 Year Gap]

The only question I have is this......























Whose country?

[Mark Dexter]

I think it's OUR country, Gap, but I'll have to wait for FOX to run the commercial 28 times this afternoon before I can be sure.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I had not heard that - that's too bad. You're right though, it is fun to watch great players perform. I hope he's ok the rest of the season (well, at least until the Mariners/Cubs World Series...)

It does make me wonder if there really is a correaltion to the obsession with pitch counts, and all the injuries. (WARNING - The following is an Old Person Alert) Back in my day, there were many more complete games and more innings pitched, with seemingly fewer overall injuries. Now along comes Dice-K, with his pitching routine, also similarly injury-free. Is he just a freak of nature, or is it possible he represents what could happen if more pitchers followed the same routine? Are current pitchers actually being hurt by limiting their throwing, rather than the other way around?

My impression was that while Dice-K throws more innings per outing (at least he did in Japan), he is used to more rest between starts.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

My impression was that while Dice-K throws more innings per outing (at least he did in Japan), he is used to more rest between starts.

If you could call it rest. It's true he went sometimes 7 days between starts, but it's the training in between starts that was impressive. I don't remember all the details, but I thought I heard he did much more than American pitchers, such as long toss at 200 - 300 feet, where US pitchers do 100 -200 feet, bullpen sessions of 100+ pitches, etc. These are all things that would get a MLB pitching coach fired these days. In fact, I believe Boston had to negotiate out some of these training items with his agent.

My point is he seems to survive/thrive under that type of training, and pitchers back before, say 1970, would laugh at a thing called a pitch count, so maybe we've gone too far in "protecting" today's pitchers? I'm just wondering if things have been dialed back so much that injuries are more likely to happen now, rather than less.

But, then again, I'm not a doctor, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.