Ohio State & Georgetown

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

No because he started his habitual motion. From my understanding the NBA rule is that you must have LGP before the player starts their habitual motion. Is this not correct?

Honestly, I don't know. But I've never heard that before. It should be easy enough for somebody to check on the NBA's website.

[Mark Dexter]

1st call - Player Control. Position was established well before the shooter left the floor. Valentine must have come in when the C didn't pick it up. (Right in the middle of the lane - could go either way.)

As for the hold call - it was such a blatant hold, and on a deep rebound, that I think it was a good call to make.

[tomegun]

Oden's play was a PC and I think it would have had an impact on the game because Oden would have sat down.

I don't have a problem with the hold call because it was correct.

What I do have a problem with is the fact that Oden was allowed to pull up on a dunk AND slap the backboard on either side after he dunked. IMO it shouldn't matter how big a game is - if they do something like this it should be a technical foul. Maybe Hank Nichols should send a representative around to talk to the teams and remind them that although the offiicials do not want to call something like this it will be called if it happens.

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by tomegun

What I do have a problem with is the fact that Oden was allowed to pull up on a dunk AND slap the backboard on either side after he dunked. IMO it shouldn't matter how big a game is - if they do something like this it should be a technical foul.

When I saw this I went uh oh because I was expecting a technical. You've got to wonder if this would have been called in a regular season game. (Let me know if that is how they've been calling it all year)

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Oden's play was a PC and I think it would have had an impact on the game because Oden would have sat down.

I don't have a problem with the hold call because it was correct.

What I do have a problem with is the fact that Oden was allowed to pull up on a dunk AND slap the backboard on either side after he dunked. IMO it shouldn't matter how big a game is - if they do something like this it should be a technical foul. Maybe Hank Nichols should send a representative around to talk to the teams and remind them that although the offiicials do not want to call something like this it will be called if it happens.

Oden sat down for 17 minutes in the first half and OSU won the half.
I don't know if the call was correct or not....but Ohio State can play pretty well with Oden sitting down.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

Oden sat down for 17 minutes in the first half and OSU won the half.
I don't know if the call was correct or not....but Ohio State can play pretty well with Oden sitting down.

They won the half? I thought this was baseball, not tennis!

[mightyvol]

Can you believe this article???


http://sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/10100591

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by mightyvol

Can you believe this article???


http://sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/10100591

Wow.

Did he have that written before the game tipped?

The worst part is that "Foul officiating robs us of chance to see real Oden, Hibbert" is posted as a headline on the site.

[mightyvol]

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball

[MJT]

He is one of those writers who gets the FANATIC fans to read his stuff cuz he is just like them. Got to get readers somehow, and that is his way.

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by mightyvol

Can you believe this article???


http://sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/10100591

This was a common theme in this morning's sports talk radio. This game was hyped as a battle of the titans, but the giants involved spent a lot of time on the bench. Since officials are an easy target, the bulk of the criticism has been directed at them. After all, other than this forum's members, no one tuned in to the game to watch the officials.

Some day a commentator or columnist will say something like, "Too bad Oden wasn't smart enough to not get such a dumb foul on that illegal screen."

Don't hold your breath.

[JRutledge]

We should keep in mind that Greg Oden has been in foul trouble all post season in just about every game. Even his games in the Big Ten tournament he has been on the bench for many minutes for the same reasons I just stated. I think officials have been consistent on the type of fouls they have called on Oden.

Also two of Hebbert's fouls were pretty obvious. Hebbert's 4th foul he hit the shooter in the face while trying to block a shot (and missing). Then on this 5the foul he grabs a player clearly preventing him from getting to a ball. I did not see the entire game, but those are just two fouls and they were pretty obvious at critical points of the games. And from what I remember Hebbert had foul trouble also most of the tournament.

Peace

[dblref]

This must have been a tough year for Oden. He looks like a 40 year old man.

[Scrapper1]

From the the Block/Charge guidelines on nba.com:

A defensive player is permitted to establish a legal guarding position in the path of a dribbler regardless of his speed and distance.

A defensive player is not permitted to move into the path of an offensive play-er once he has started his shooting motion.

A defensive player must allow a moving player the distance to stop or change direction when the offensive player receives a pass outside the lower defensive box.

A defensive player must allow an alighted player the distance to land and then stop or change direction when the offensive player is outside the lower defensive box.

A defensive player is permitted to establish a legal guarding position in the path of an offensive player who receives a pass inside the lower defensive box regardless of his speed and distance.

A defensive player must allow an alighted player who receives a pass the space to land when the offensive player is inside the lower defensive box.

A defensive player must allow a moving offensive player without the ball the distance to stop or change direction.

The speed of the offensive player will determine the amount of distance a defensive player must allow.

If an offensive player causes contact with a defensive player who has estab-lished a legal position, an offensive foul shall be called and no points may be scored.

A defensive player may turn slightly to protect himself, but is never allowed to bend over and submarine an opponent.

An offensive foul should never be called if the contact is with a secondary defensive player who has established a defensive position within a designated "restricted area" near the basket for the purpose of drawing an offensive foul.

The "restricted area" for this purpose is the area bounded by an arc with a 4-foot radius measured from the middle of the basket.

EXCEPTION: Any player may be legally positioned within the "restricted area" if the offensive player receives the ball within the Lower Defensive Box.

The mere fact that contact occurs on these type of plays, or any other similar play, does not necessarily mean that a personal foul has been committed. The offi-cials must decide whether the contact is negligible and/or incidental, judging each situation separately.

Good call, All Heart.

[jontheref]

I agree that the block call that Ted made was a 50 - 50 call....I also think he was prepared to pass on it until he saw the miss,..and then he had to call something.

As far as the hold on the rebound...two things...one...everyone has been calling that kind of a foul all throughout the tournament. And, two...when you hook the rebounder, you put him at a disadvantage. No problem with the call.