Ohio State & Georgetown

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

I don't see how it could go either way. If this is the NBA then it is a block HOWEVER in high school & college this is definitely a PC.

It could have gone either way because it was so close. It is one thing to look at something on slow motion replay. It is quite another to call the game in full speed.

Originally Posted by All_Heart

I would agree with you if there was a Georgetown player about to pick up that ball but there were 3 Ohio State players there to pick up the ball. How was an advantage gained?

How many players were around the ball is not the issue. There was an advantage by holding the player he was standing next to. It does not matter how many other players are around. If that player had an opportunity to get the ball and he is held, that is an advantage. Maybe if the ball went in the opposite direction I might agree with you, but not when these two players could get the ball. If you do not want to get called for something, do not hold them.

Peace

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It could have gone either way because it was so close. It is one thing to look at something on slow motion replay. It is quite another to call the game in full speed.

I never saw it in slow motion. I only saw it at full speed. I will be going home later to review it but this was a PC in my opinion.

I agree that it is alot harder to make that call live in a game of this magnitude. I am also not saying that I could do a better job then Valentine in this game. I am however able to point out a call that was nailed or missed. In this case I feel that he missed it. This is how we get better by watching games and determining what should be called and what shouldn't be called by rule.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

How many players were around the ball is not the issue. There was an advantage by holding the player he was standing next to. It does not matter how many other players are around. If that player had an opportunity to get the ball and he is held, that is an advantage. Maybe if the ball went in the opposite direction I might agree with you, but not when these two players could get the ball. If you do not want to get called for something, do not hold them

I respect your opinion but I disagree.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

I never saw it in slow motion. I only saw it at full speed. I will be going home later to review it but this was a PC in my opinion.

I agree that it is alot harder to make that call live in a game of this magnitude. I am also not saying that I could do a better job then Valentine in this game. I am however able to point out a call that was nailed or missed. In this case I feel that he missed it. This is how we get better by watching games and determining what should be called and what shouldn't be called by rule.

I respect your opinion but I disagree.

You know what they say about people with opinions right?

Peace

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You know what they say about people with opinions right?

Peace

For those that don't, I'll tell ya. Opinions are like a$$holes -- everyone has one, and everyone else's stinks but your own.

As for the plays in question. The drive to the basket was a definite player control. I thought so in live action, and I thought so again when I backed it up on the DVR and watched it in super slow-mo. It was definitely a late whistle from Big Teddy at lead, however, I think that he was probably expecting his partner who's area it came from to get it, and when no one else took it, he had to come in and clean up the mess.

As far as the hold by Hibbert, that was as ticky tack as they come. There was hardly a hold there at all, and as many before me stated, OSU was still going to get the ball. Where's the advantage?

[All_Heart]

What was the coach doing on the floor after the block!?

It doesn't matter if there was a timeout requested! A timeout was not granted until after the foul was called. The coach came all the way out to the paint to yell something to Oden!

On a side note, at 10:51 in the 2nd half an OOB was missed. This was understandable due to the contact that he was zeroing in on.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

As far as the hold by Hibbert, that was as ticky tack as they come. There was hardly a hold there at all, and as many before me stated, OSU was still going to get the ball.

Three things:

1) Minor contact does not mean that it's a ticky-tack call. Minor contact can give a big advantage.

2) Call the obvious!! The hold was obvious! One player is stretching and reaching for the ball and couldn't get off the ground.

3) That is the kind of play that escalates, IMHO. Get the first one and put a stop to it.

[johnSandlin]

I agree with scrapper1 100%.

Plus, I am not sure why Ohio State or Georgetown would be complaining about Valentine? He works in the both of the leagues they play in regularly seeing both of these teams who knows how many times a year.

So, they should know what they are going to get when Valentine walks on the floor.

[goldstj2]

Originally Posted by johnSandlin

Plus, I am not sure why Ohio State or Georgetown would be complaining about Valentine? He works in the both of the leagues they play in regularly seeing both of these teams who knows how many times a year.

Thanks to everyone on the forum for helping me become a more intelligent fan, especially on the actual rules regarding the Jeff Green "travel" in the Vandy game.

Ted Valentine did not work a Georgetown game all year until last night. He is not a Big East official any more (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...ff-records.pdf page 7) and he did not work the road games at Vandy, Michigan, or Duke.