Woman's College Mechanics

[SeanFitzRef]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Gotta disagree with that part Jeff...it's not something I have ever seen or heard of - I think it's mostly in Old School's warped little universe.

Crews that I have worked with have stated that they like to do it this way. Some people just like having the C opposite the table for last second clock responibilities.

As a side note to earlier discussion, in Pro (and NCAA - W mechanics also, I believe), if the possession starts with 4.9 seconds or less the clock is the responsibily of the C, regardless of which side of the court (table-side or opposite). 5 or more, it is the T.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by SeanFitzRef

As a side note to earlier discussion, in Pro (and NCAA - W mechanics also, I believe), if the possession starts with 4.9 seconds or less the clock is the responsibily of the C, regardless of which side of the court (table-side or opposite). 5 or more, it is the T.

That can't be right, can it?

[refguy]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

That can't be right, can it?

No it's not right for women's. Women's mechanics is center has the last shot always.

[Mwanr1]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

That can't be right, can it?

At NCAAW camps, we were taught to lock down at about the 15 mark. C will always (always always always) have last second shot. Not sure about the NBA. NCAAM and NFHS, it is opposite table unless discussed during pre-game. Some HS gym only has one clock on one side of the gym. We've had games (2 person crew) where the L gets the last shot since he/she has the best look at the clock.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

Some HS gym only has one clock on one side of the gym.

The location of the clock should not matter to anything dealing with the last second shot.

Peace

[Mwanr1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The location of the clock should not matter to anything dealing with the last second shot.

Peace

Try servicing schools that the horn goes off about a second or two after it hits 0:00. Then I think it is essential to look at the clock

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

Try servicing schools that the horn goes off about a second or two after it hits 0:00. Then I think it is essential to look at the clock

The horn is what ends the game, not the clock saying 0:00.

Also I do not know how you can watch the clock and the play at the same time. You are going to miss something. What do you do when the clock is overhead and the clock is not in your field of vision? I cannot speak for you, but I cannot watch both.

Peace

[Mwanr1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The horn is what ends the game, not the clock saying 0:00.

Also I do not know how you can watch the clock and the play at the same time. You are going to miss something. What do you do when the clock is overhead and the clock is not in your field of vision? I cannot speak for you, but I cannot watch both.

Peace

Yes - I agree that the horn ends the game. But what if the officials know that the horn is going to have a split second delay and in order to ensure that the shot is released in time, one of the officials must keep an eye on both clock and shooter. Given we have definite knowledge that the clock will delay, we need to modify our officiating to suit the scenario. That's why we have that new rule - lag time elmiated (5-10-1). ALthough this is related more to adding time back to the clock, but "when an official has definite knowledge relative to the time involved, he/she should have the ability to put the correct time on the game clock. I beleive if we have knowledge that the time is expired, we have the power to wave off the last second shot attempt too.

It is also true that while watching the shooter, it is difficult to monitor the game clock. But we need to try our best and call what the game fairly. In terms of "missing something", the 2-person game stinks as the game can never be called perfectly. Think of a fast break scenario. The new Trail hustles down the court and often run past 2 or 4 players to trail the play. What if those 4 players started fighting? Mechanically, we are supposed to "box-in the players" but since the "T" has to hustle down the court and officiate that play, we are opening up the opp. for the players to assult each other. What i'm getting across is the 2 person game is more difficult to officiate. But we will need to try our best to officiate the game even if it requires us to call and/or see the game differently to get the play right.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

Try servicing schools that the horn goes off about a second or two after it hits 0:00. Then I think it is essential to look at the clock

If it's one second, then the clock is working properly.

[jkjenning]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If it's one second, then the clock is working properly.

That is, if tenths of a second are not displayed...

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The location of the clock should not matter to anything dealing with the last second shot.

Peace

Usually it doesn't. But I have been in gyms where there is only one clock and scoreboard, behind one of the baskets. If I'm working 2-person, we might pre-game that the official facing the clock has the last shot, only because it will be in their line of sight. It rarely happens, but it is something to be aware of when you pre-game.

[Mwanr1]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Usually it doesn't. But I have been in gyms where there is only one clock and scoreboard, behind one of the baskets. If I'm working 2-person, we might pre-game that the official facing the clock has the last shot, only because it will be in their line of sight. It rarely happens, but it is something to be aware of when you pre-game.

Exactly!!!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Usually it doesn't. But I have been in gyms where there is only one clock and scoreboard, behind one of the baskets. If I'm working 2-person, we might pre-game that the official facing the clock has the last shot, only because it will be in their line of sight. It rarely happens, but it is something to be aware of when you pre-game.

The clocks are almost never positioned in a "perfect place." Once again, I think it is really stupid to be watching the clock when the play is what is important. I would rather not see the clock, and then miss a play trying to watch something that is not in my peripheral vision. If it works for you more power to you. But if you are working with me, I am not going to be watching the clock on the last second shot. What you should do in my opinion, is take a responsibility for the horn and the clock as a non-calling official and give help when needed. There is no need for this call to made instantaneously when there is 2 or 3 of you that might have information to get the call right.

Peace

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The clocks are almost never positioned in a "perfect place." Once again, I think it is really stupid to be watching the clock when the play is what is important. I would rather not see the clock, and then miss a play trying to watch something that is not in my peripheral vision. If it works for you more power to you. But if you are working with me, I am not going to be watching the clock on the last second shot. What you should do in my opinion, is take a responsibility for the horn and the clock as a non-calling official and give help when needed. There is no need for this call to made instantaneously when there is 2 or 3 of you that might have information to get the call right.

Peace

It's not clock-watching so much as just being able to see the clock. If there's 3 of us, it won't be an issue. Also, in most gyms, there's a clock visible on both sides of the court, so again, not an issue. But there's those rare times where we might work 2-person at a small school, where there's only one scoreboard on one side of the gym. In 2-person, the T has the last shot. But if play is at the side of the court opposite the clock, the T would have to turn their head completely around and away from the players to catch a glimpse of the clock. All the L would have to do is glance up with their eyes to catch the clock, and still keep their head facing the players. It's not "by the book", but it makes things easier for those rare instances. The pre-game is where that would be covered, so there aren't two people looking at the clock and no one watching the players...

[Adam]

I try to glance at the clock around 3 to 5 seconds and then listen for the horn. Like Rut, though, I'm not looking away from the play to watch the clock. If the horn isn't working, you'll know after the first quarter and can adjust from there. Usually, this amounts to nothing more than setting the horn to automatic.