Woman's College Mechanics

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Old School

In reference to the guy explaining the C gets the final shot. That is true, but what's left out of the manual that most may not know is the crew tries to get the C opposite the table. It works the best when the C is opposite the table and has last second shot.

Not on any crew I have ever worked.
Why would you do that?
I have never seen a table with a clock?

We do have a lock down at the 5 second mark on the shot clock or game clock so that you are in position to make the call. But we encourage rotations we look for reasons to rotate so the C position could change a couple of times inside the 30 second posession.
I have never purposely locked the C inthe oposite position on one of my crews!

[Junker]

Make sure you have a really good pregame. I heard not long ago that the women's mechanics were possibly on the way out and we would all be using men's. Anyone else hear rumblings about that? I think the Lead coverage areas in women's mechanics really takes away a lot of the advantage of having a 3 person crew. I work it, but I certainly don't like it.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Junker

I heard not long ago that the women's mechanics were possibly on the way out and we would all be using men's. Anyone else hear rumblings about that?

Actually heard it the other way around that we would all be going the route of Womens mechanics

If you work it alot with a crew that is comforatble in the transitioning primary areas I like it better than the mens.

but it comes down to what you are more comfortable with.

[Junker]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Actually heard it the other way around that we would all be going the route of Womens mechanics

If you work it alot with a crew that is comforatble in the transitioning primary areas I like it better than the mens.

but it comes down to what you are more comfortable with.

I hope we don't all go to women's. My main gripe about it is that, to me, the biggest benefit to the 3 person crew is having that lead down there working the post. You are in close proximity, you see things, you can communicate with players and really clean up the game. To me, having the lead go out to the corner and officiate matchups in the corner takes that advantage away.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Junker

My main gripe about it is that, to me, the biggest benefit to the 3 person crew is having that lead down there working the post. You are in close proximity, you see things, you can communicate with players and really clean up the game. To me, having the lead go out to the corner and officiate matchups in the corner takes that advantage away.

That is what the C and the T are for.
If you have a match up that you can not give up the T shouldn't give up the ball, when you take the ball the C has the weak side and the T helps on the strong side. The proximity is different but it works well - you have to trust your partners and communicate

[Junker]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

That is what the C and the T are for.
If you have a match up that you can not give up the T shouldn't give up the ball, when you take the ball the C has the weak side and the T helps on the strong side. The proximity is different but it works well - you have to trust your partners and communicate

I agree. Trusting your partners and calling your area is important. I just think the proximity to the paint is a major advantage of 3 person mechanics.

[Mwanr1]

Question: FOR NCAA MEN, in Frontcourt, does the T administer the throw in when the ball is below the free-throw line extended? Or is it the L's responsibility?

I know in NCAAW, it is the "L"s responsibility. In HS, it is the "T"

Please verify

[Old School]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Not on any crew I have ever worked.
Why would you do that?
I have never seen a table with a clock?

I have never purposely locked the C inthe oposite position on one of my crews!

In men's and HS, it's always opposite the table. Going forward, I did mention that this was an unwritten rule. The reason is obvious, we want opposite table but we want the C to have it. Kind of like the best of both worlds.

I think the coverage area from the Lead deep in the cornier is better. If the ball is deep in the corner and the Trail 28 ft away has primary. The lead still has to keep one eye on the play in case the ball goes out on the baseline. It just makes more sense to have the Lead referee that area. The Trail and C 28 ft. away can take care of anything else at the boards. Should the pass go into the post from deep in the corner the Lead simply turns his head with the ball and slides down to cover this area.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Old School

In men's and HS, it's always opposite the table. Going forward, I did mention that this was an unwritten rule. The reason is obvious, we want opposite table but we want the C to have it. Kind of like the best of both worlds.
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Again, absolute rubbish...it's an unwritten rule because it does NOT exist and no one in their right mind does it that way...at the NCAA level the clocks should be mounted on top of the backboard (anyone who actually worked that level would know this) and so being opposite the table has absolutely NO bearing on who has the last shot in NCAA-W basketball...

[tmp44]

Originally Posted by Old School

Should the pass go into the post from deep in the corner the Lead simply turns his head with the ball and slides down to cover this area.

This is an incorrect mechanic. Once the L picks up the ball in the deep corner in his/her primary, it is now the trail's responsibility to watch the post. If the L would simply "turn his head," L would have no idea how either the offensive player or the defensive player got there.

So, again, if the L picks up the ball in the deep corner, the trail picks up the post action.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by tmp44

This is an incorrect mechanic. Once the L picks up the ball in the deep corner in his/her primary, it is now the trail's responsibility to watch the post. If the L would simply "turn his head," L would have no idea how either the offensive player or the defensive player got there.

So, again, if the L picks up the ball in the deep corner, the trail picks up the post action.

True on the first part, but once the Lead doesn't have anything to officiate in the deep corner, he comes down to get that and has primary over the play. The T will verifiy thru eye contact that the L now has the play and be secondary on the play. Kind of like when you have the dribbler from the T and he moves into the C's primary. The minute he picks up the dribble, it is now C's responsibly. You still need eye contact from the C before you let it go.

[Mwanr1]

Originally Posted by Old School

True on the first part, but once the Lead doesn't have anything to officiate in the deep corner, he comes down to get that and has primary over the play. The T will verifiy thru eye contact that the L now has the play and be secondary on the play. Kind of like when you have the dribbler from the T and he moves into the C's primary. The minute he picks up the dribble, it is now C's responsibly. You still need eye contact from the C before you let it go.

Eye Contact or body language (square up to the play) to let you know that he/she's got that matchup

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

Eye Contact or body language (square up to the play) to let you know that he/she's got that matchup

Body language to confirm that he has it before you release it. good point!

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Old School

In men's and HS, it's always opposite the table. Going forward, I did mention that this was an unwritten rule. The reason is obvious, we want opposite table but we want the C to have it. Kind of like the best of both worlds.

Well we are going to have to disagree on that point because like I said I have never come across it in the womens game - in any pre game or last minute discussion we have had going in to a possible last possession in my time - but maybe you guys do that.

I can tell you this, you better not let an observer, catch you failing to rotate for that reason.
I have seen crews get reemed for not making late rotations, (not to put the C in the opposite position), but just failing to make a needed rotation late in a game or half.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Well we are going to have to disagree on that point because like I said I have never come across it in the womens game - in any pre game or last minute discussion we have had going in to a possible last possession in my time - but maybe you guys do that.

I can tell you this, you better not let an observer, catch you failing to rotate for that reason.
I have seen crews get reemed for not making late rotations, (not to put the C in the opposite position), but just failing to make a needed rotation late in a game or half.

I totally agree but what you fail to understand is the reason why. Let me try to explain. If you're late in the game (HS/Men's NCAA) less than 5 seconds to play and the game is close. Then you have a quick turnover and now the last shot is in transistion towards the other bucket. If I was still the T, I would become the new Lead and have to get all the way down to the other end and still have last second shot responsiblity because we're locked. If you can make the T the C, and lock the C opposite the table, you now have the best scenario (for the officials) for the last second shot at either ends. If the C is table side, you get a quick turnover, you got the bench players jumping up, etc., coach standing up, etc., the best scenario for us is opposite the table and the C with the responsiblity.