Announcers Said He Traveled

[Coach Jinx]

I love GT & it was a travel! It was a travel if he was playing in the NBA! Patrick Ewing didn't walk that much when he played with the Knicks.

[JRutledge]

Why did he travel coach? What did he do that was a travel? Do not just tell us he traveled, tell us why?

Peace

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by Coach Jinx

I love GT & it was a travel! It was a travel if he was playing in the NBA! Patrick Ewing didn't walk that much when he played with the Knicks.

Thanks for that input. As a true coach has now told us, it's a travel if it looks like a travel.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Coach Jinx

I love GT & it was a travel! It was a travel if he was playing in the NBA! Patrick Ewing didn't walk that much when he played with the Knicks.

Stupid monkeys.

[tmp44]

At one point last night, I think it may have been after the UNC game, CBS showed a replay where Green, before he did the legal move that we're all talking about (the pivot, push off, shoot move), as he started his pivot w/ his right foot, he lifted it up and put it back down.....and when I say lifted it up, they were zoomed in on it so that only the foot was on the screen (a la the Kentucky 3-pointer of last year). And yes, he did lift his pivot foot by about 1 inch and put it back down as he was doing the pivot move before he made the shot.

That being said, at live game speed, there is no way an official could have seen it. CBS slowed it down and zoomed in on ONLY the foot. If only we had it so easy.

[sj]

Originally Posted by tmp44

At one point last night, I think it may have been after the UNC game, CBS showed a replay where Green, before he did the legal move that we're all talking about (the pivot, push off, shoot move), as he started his pivot w/ his right foot, he lifted it up and put it back down.....and when I say lifted it up, they were zoomed in on it so that only the foot was on the screen (a la the Kentucky 3-pointer of last year). And yes, he did lift his pivot foot by about 1 inch and put it back down as he was doing the pivot move before he made the shot.

That being said, at live game speed, there is no way an official could have seen it. CBS slowed it down and zoomed in on ONLY the foot. If only we had it so easy.

If you see it again look up on the bodies and you'll see some sort of contact which probably caused the foot to come off the floor. Good no call.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Stupid monkeys.

yeah what he said

[Hoosier_Dave]

I call mostly grade school and a few Freshman games each year (yes, there are many of us out there too). I enjoy watching the officiating at D1 level. At my level, there's no way I could let the amount of contact I see in D1 go with no call. I didn't see travel, but the traveling I call at grade school level is usually blatantly obvious.

It's a great game at any level.

[boiseball]

in the insider stuff from jay bilas it appears that he attacks the people who said Green traveled; I do not have insider, just read the summary on espn: says something like, "to those who thought it was a travel, read the rules"

[bellnier]

We're all gettin' old and cranky. Years ago (well, MANY years ago for me) we might have turned announcer mistakes and stupidity into a drinking game....you know...every time we hear the announcers say "reach-in foul" or "over the back" or "that was a travel" we'd have to chug a beer....

[OHBBREF]

when did we stop doing that?

Can someone explain how I got home last night?

[hoops77]

How come nobody mentioned the call botched in the SIU-KU game? Julian Wright dunked the ball clearly after the buzzer but the officials still counted the goal. The before mentioned Jay Bilas even said that the ball was clearly still in his hand when the shot clock expired. It wasn't even a close call but it was blown.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by hoops77

How come nobody mentioned the call botched in the SIU-KU game?

Probably because nobody cares.....

[bluenred]

Originally Posted by hoops77

How come nobody mentioned the call botched in the SIU-KU game? Julian Wright dunked the ball clearly after the buzzer but the officials still counted the goal. The before mentioned Jay Bilas even said that the ball was clearly still in his hand when the shot clock expired. It wasn't even a close call but it was blown.

Very good point. Hank Nichols could not have been happy at all. It would have been different if it was a bang bang call. But it was not even close. The 3 referees who blow that simple call should be left off the Final 4. I feel sorry for Southern Illinois. The outcome may have been different if not for the horrible mistake favoring the #1 seed. Kansas got several other breaks in that game. Cheap fouls were called on Southern Illinois on one end but they allowed Kansas to get away with fouls on the other end. It is very sad when the higher seeded team gets special treatment from the referees.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by boiseball

in the insider stuff from jay bilas it appears that he attacks the people who said Green traveled; I do not have insider, just read the summary on espn: says something like, "to those who thought it was a travel, read the rules"

I'll post the relevant part:

Originally Posted by Jay Bilas

Take a Walk to the Rulebook: I was in San Jose for the West Regional, so I watched the Georgetown-Vanderbilt game in the East Regional from afar. When Jeff Green hit the game-winning shot for the Hoyas, I did not believe that he traveled. When I heard different commentators from the different networks say with a great degree of certainty that Green had walked and the officials had missed it, I disagreed.

What Green did was a legal move and is, in fact, taught by many coaches. Green did a simple step-through move that is used in up-and-under moves and in the use of a hook shot, and is legal. I went to the Rule Book, to Rule 4, Article 66, Section 4(a), which states that once a player establishes his pivot foot, the pivot foot may leave the floor as long as it is not brought back to the floor before the ball is released. Green established his right foot as his pivot foot, pivoted, and went up for the shot off his left foot. All of that was completely legal under the rules.

It may have looked like a traveling violation to some, but it was not. When such a move is called as a travel, most coaches argue to the officials that it was a missed call.

The only argument regarding a violation that has any merit, in my judgment, is the view that Green moved his right pivot foot well before he got into his move. However, that was only visible super close-up and in slow motion. It was nearly impossible to see in real time.

I have heard some say the officials couldn't call a walk in that situation because the players are supposed to decide the outcome of the game that late in the game. I disagree. If Green had walked and it was called, the players would have decided it. But Green did not walk. What he did was a legal move under the rules. Not everyone, including me, knows the rules as well as they perhaps should, but the officials generally do. I think they got it right in the Georgetown-Vanderbilt game.