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[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by NewNCref

And of course, while we're not going to enforce the correct rule, let's improperly apply another


Your post is completely absurd. What if I said, "The penalty for slapping the backboard (while not attempting to block a shot) is a technical foul. I won't do that. I'll just call it basket interference"? That's absurd! While I may believe that's what the penalty should be, I don't do it.

Maybe we should just all ask Nevada what he thinks the proper rule for everything should be.

Apples and Oranges, NC. In the timing situation, neither team has committed an infraction. In your slapping the backboard example someone has infringed the rules. I would properly punish that, but in the timing situation I am not advocating failing to properly punish a player or team by skipping any penalty given in the rules. I am advocating NOT screwing them over because of something totally unfair and beyond their control. Even JR wouldn't go to AP arrow in this situation, but if you wish to do so and take the police escort out of the gym, be my guest. I'm just not going down that path with you.

[NewNCref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I am advocating NOT screwing them over because of something totally unfair and beyond their control.

Nevada, I'm not arguing about whether they're getting "screwed over", but if the rules say to do something, I feel like that's what needs to be done. Does it suck? Yeah, probably, but that's not my judgement to make.

I'm also not advocating going to the AP, because it's not an inadvertent whistle.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by NewNCref

I'm also not advocating going to the AP, because it's not an inadvertent whistle.

I'm also maintaining that this is not an accidental whistle (the correct NFHS terminology), but that going to the AP is unfortunately correct because 6-4-3e describes the conditions under which the ball became dead.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I'm also maintaining that this is not an accidental whistle (the correct NFHS terminology), but that going to the AP is unfortunately correct because 6-4-3e describes the conditions under which the ball became dead.

After a made basket, you are going to give the ball back to Team B because the timer mistakenly stopped or started the clock? If the timer starts the clock, while Team A is about to inbound the ball (and still has the ball), after a made basket, and the referee blows the whistle to correct, what do you do now? There's still no team control during the throw-in (FED). Give it back Team B who just scored?? I DON'T THINK SO!!

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

After a made basket, you are going to give the ball back to Team B because the timer mistakenly stopped or started the clock? If the timer starts the clock, while Team A is about to inbound the ball (and still has the ball), after a made basket, and the referee blows the whistle to correct, what do you do now? There's still no team control during the throw-in (FED). Give it back Team B who just scored?? I DON'T THINK SO!!

And this post is under the assumption that Team B has the possession arrow.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

After a made basket, you are going to give the ball back to Team B because the timer mistakenly stopped or started the clock? If the timer starts the clock, while Team A is about to inbound the ball (and still has the ball), after a made basket, and the referee blows the whistle to correct, what do you do now? There's still no team control during the throw-in (FED). Give it back Team B who just scored?? I DON'T THINK SO!!

Yes, he certainly is saying that. And he is also insisting that the rules say that you must do so.

Ludicrous, ain't it?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yes, he certainly is saying that. And he is also insisting that the rules say that you must do so.

Ludicrous, ain't it?

The Emperor has spoken.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

After a made basket, you are going to give the ball back to Team B because the timer mistakenly stopped or started the clock? If the timer starts the clock, while Team A is about to inbound the ball (and still has the ball), after a made basket, and the referee blows the whistle to correct, what do you do now? There's still no team control during the throw-in (FED). Give it back Team B who just scored?? I DON'T THINK SO!!

I don't think that is a good idea either, but that is what the current rules say to do. To say it again, I don't like it.
In fact, I think that your example is an excellent one, and I will likely use it to attempt to get the rules committee to alter 4-36-1. A stoppage to correct a timing error needs to be included in that list. That would fix things.

Unfortunately, the way things are now, neither you nor any other official can point to a rule other than 6-4-3e that covers the stoppage in this situation.

You have conveniently said that you don't think that using the AP arrow and possibly giving the ball back to Team B is right, but you have not cited a rule that says to do anything else. Please be specific, if you think that there is one.