Backcourt??

[Nevadaref]

Where does it say that team control is necessary for there to be a defensive team. To throw that ball back into JR's court, please cite a rule for me that says that.

I think that it is quite obvious that if one team is making a throw-in, the opponent is playing defense.

[Adam]

If we're going to parse the wording of the rule to the point where we insist that the parenthetical list is all-inclusive, then "defense" needs to be defined as well. The only rule definition I can find is by defining it as the opposite of the team in control; which won't exist during a throwin.

Personally, I think the parenthetical list is meant as a few examples rather than a full and all-inclusive list of times when the allowance is in effect.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

1) Where does it say that team control is necessary for there to be a defensive team. To throw that ball back into JR's court, please cite a rule for me that says that.

2) I think that it is quite obvious that if one team is making a throw-in, the opponent is playing defense.

1) Common sense- a commodity which seems to be lacking in some of your wingy interpretations.

2) Obvious to who? You? Somehow methinks that doesn't make it so.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

1) Common sense- a commodity which seems to be lacking in some of your wingy interpretations.

2) Obvious to who? You? Somehow methinks that doesn't make it so.

So your position is that defense doesn't exist unless there is team control by one team...
Well I can demonstrate using what is written in the rules book that your "common sense" isn't correct.

There are two statements in the Fundamentals which mention defense. In the first, there is no team control because the try has been released, which we know ends team control. However, the continuous motion interval is the topic of the second, which we know occurs while the player is still holding the ball and thus has team control.

Basketball Rules Fundamentals

7. The only infractions for which points are awarded are goaltending by the defense or basket interference at the opponent's basket.

17. “Continuous motion” applies both to tries and taps for field goals and free throws, but it has no significance unless there is a foul by the defense during the interval which begins when the habitual trying or tapping movement starts and ends when the ball is clearly in flight.

Therefore, defense can occur both while there is and also while there is not team control. Q.E.D.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

So your position is that defense doesn't exist unless there is team control by one team...
Well I can demonstrate using what is written in the rules book that your "common sense" isn't correct.

There are two statements in the Fundamentals which mention defense. In the first, there is no team control because the try has been released, which we know ends team control. However, the continuous motion interval is the topic of the second, which we know occurs while the player is still holding the ball and thus has team control.

Basketball Rules Fundamentals

7. The only infractions for which points are awarded are goaltending by the defense or basket interference at the opponent's basket.

I don't want to get in the middle of your pissing match Emperor but you cannot have goaltending during a throw-in. No such thing exists.

[Nevadaref]

This argument requires logic and critical thinking skills, Dan. I'll find a first first-grader with a crayon to connect the dots for you, if you are having trouble following the points.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This argument requires logic and critical thinking skills, Dan. I'll find a first first-grader with a crayon to connect the dots for you, if you are having trouble following the points.

I've already found one but sadly you're not doing a very good job.

[M&M Guy]