Officials working the same team the first two games in the NCAA tourney

[MJT]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Really? How about UT's Wayne Chism's 4th foul early in the 2nd half? That was a great blocked shot IMO. And then UVA's Jason Cain hanging on the rim in the last minute attempting to block a shot and not getting T'ed up?

UVA didn't shafted and neither did Tennessee. There are always gonna be calls that can go either way.

I hoped to talk to him about the "rim hanging" at PT conferences 2nt, but he is his wife didn't get to me before we ran out of time. I think they just missed it as you do not watch that, but the contact of the player with the ball. You would see that Peripherally, and they just missed it.

The continuation on that one is a judgement call, and that means yours, mine, and theirs can and will be different. All I know is he is working a NCAA tournament game, and socalreff is an official who is questioning the integrity of great D1 officials, while sitting in his chair at home sounding more like a fan instead of a fellow official. You should know it is ok to question judgement, but an official questioning the integrity of an official at that high of a level should not happen.

Apparently socalreff has a tendency of questioning integrity. From another post...
This clown has got a history of crapping on D1 officials too, going back to last year's tournament.

http://forum.officiating.com/showthr...969#post297969

http://forum.officiating.com/showthr...396#post299396

[jimpiano]

The continuation on that one is a judgement call, and that means yours, mine, and theirs can and will be different.


Not a basketball official(softball) but I was at the UVA/TENN game and the official pointed at the floor when he blew his whistle. The replay clearly showed the contact occurred before Singletary made an attempt to shoot. The play was a big one in the game and when the ball went through the hoop there was a big reaction from the crowd. The official forcefully waved off the points which brought an even bigger reaction. I don't know what "continuous motion" means in the context of basketall rules, but it appeared to me the official made the correct call.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MJT

but he is his wife

I was going to ask how this works, but I decided I really didn't want to know.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I was going to ask how this works, but I decided I really didn't want to know.

I think it's a Ray Stevens thing, only with a "Not-that-there's-anything-wrong-with-that" twist.

[socalreff]

[QUOTE=MJT]I hoped to talk to him about the "rim hanging" at PT conferences 2nt, but he is his wife didn't get to me before we ran out of time. I think they just missed it as you do not watch that, but the contact of the player with the ball. You would see that Peripherally, and they just missed it.

The continuation on that one is a judgement call, and that means yours, mine, and theirs can and will be different. All I know is he is working a NCAA tournament game, and socalreff is an official who is questioning the integrity of great D1 officials, while sitting in his chair at home sounding more like a fan instead of a fellow official. You should know it is ok to question judgement, but an official questioning the integrity of an official at that high of a level should not happen.

Apparently socalreff has a tendency of questioning integrity.



I wasn't questioning the integrity of anybody. If that's the way it came across, I sincerely apologize to everyone and esp. the crew. I don't believe anyone at that level goes into a game with any bias whatsoever. I do think , however, that whenever possible for perception sake, it's good not to officiate the same team twice in the tournament. Officiating a team back to back would give officials more of a comfort level with one team as the offense and defense they're running is fresh in their mind. Therefore, I would surmise that the official would naturally be in better position on a higher percentage of plays when he knows what to expect. That's what I was trying to say.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by socalreff

I wasn't questioning the integrity of anybody.

Oh? Gee, somebody must be posting under your name then. Whoever it was made the following statements:
1) No wonder UVA didn't get a fair shake on that game.
2) I thought that Leitao showed tremendous restraint during an extremely poorly officiated game.
3)Same thing happened at least 10 times that I saw during this weekend.
4)Seems I continue to see poor application of the continuous motion rule.

You might want to find the guy that's been posting under your name. It seems that he's posted numerous other times also doing nothing but completely crapping all over D1 Mens officials doing the tournament. If you do happen to find him, please tell from me what a low-rent, back-stabbing, integrity-free clown he happens to be.

Good luck in finding whoever has been posting under your name.

[smoref]

Originally Posted by socalreff

I wasn't questioning the integrity of anybody. If that's the way it came across, I sincerely apologize to everyone and esp. the crew. I don't believe anyone at that level goes into a game with any bias whatsoever. I do think , however, that whenever possible for perception sake, it's good not to officiate the same team twice in the tournament. Officiating a team back to back would give officials more of a comfort level with one team as the offense and defense they're running is fresh in their mind. Therefore, I would surmise that the official would naturally be in better position on a higher percentage of plays when he knows what to expect. That's what I was trying to say.

I remeber seeing in another thread that your favorite NCAA official is Chuck Gonzalez. He worked the The LSU game in the first and second round this year and I think he did a great job in both games.

[socalreff]

Originally Posted by smoref

I remeber seeing in another thread that your favorite NCAA official is Chuck Gonzalez. He worked the The LSU game in the first and second round this year and I think he did a great job in both games.

Yes, he is a darn good official. I've had the pleasure of talking with him at camps and he is very down to earth.

[jimpiano]

[QUOTE=socalreff]

Originally Posted by MJT

I hoped to talk to him about the "rim hanging" at PT conferences 2nt, but he is his wife didn't get to me before we ran out of time. I think they just missed it as you do not watch that, but the contact of the player with the ball. You would see that Peripherally, and they just missed it.

The continuation on that one is a judgement call, and that means yours, mine, and theirs can and will be different. All I know is he is working a NCAA tournament game, and socalreff is an official who is questioning the integrity of great D1 officials, while sitting in his chair at home sounding more like a fan instead of a fellow official. You should know it is ok to question judgement, but an official questioning the integrity of an official at that high of a level should not happen.

Apparently socalreff has a tendency of questioning integrity.



I wasn't questioning the integrity of anybody. If that's the way it came across, I sincerely apologize to everyone and esp. the crew. I don't believe anyone at that level goes into a game with any bias whatsoever. I do think , however, that whenever possible for perception sake, it's good not to officiate the same team twice in the tournament. Officiating a team back to back would give officials more of a comfort level with one team as the offense and defense they're running is fresh in their mind. Therefore, I would surmise that the official would naturally be in better position on a higher percentage of plays when he knows what to expect. That's what I was trying to say.

SoCal


So you would advise against any official working a final four game coming back for the final?

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

So you would advise against any official working a final four game coming back for the final?

I can't answer for SoCal, but I believe this is prohibited by policy. All 10 Final Four officials (3 for each game, plus 1 alternate) are selected prior to the weekend starting, and each on-court ref only works one game. The alternate is present at all 3.

[socalreff]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

I can't answer for SoCal, but I believe this is prohibited by policy. All 10 Final Four officials (3 for each game, plus 1 alternate) are selected prior to the weekend starting, and each on-court ref only works one game. The alternate is present at all 3.

You beat me to it. In the old days they were able to work both a semi and a final. But not anymore, in part due to what I mentioned.