Delayed foul call

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by hbioteach

A1 hip checks B1 near basket as shot goes up.

It's usually not my nature to be contrary, but........

I think that that I'd need a little more information about the nature of the "hip check" before saying either way. If it's a subtle little move that might gain an advantage, then call the foul if it does gain an advantage. If it's a hockey hip check that's moving a rebounder waaaaay out of position, then just call it. If it's fairly obvious too but maybe not that excessive, you might want to call it just to clean up the rebounding action. Letting deliberate excessive contact go is just gonna give you nothing but headaches later on, especially when you end up getting a similar hip check at the other end. It's the difference between incidental contact and illegal contact. Jmo.

[The Canuck]

I agree with JR. From the sound of things, this particular play involved more subtle contact which warranted a patient whistle. Otherwise we've got to come up with something quickly.

This kind of call can lead to problems though. If a rebounder A1 pushes and pushes and pushes B1 until he's under the hoop, then goes exactly straight up and gets the rebound easily and there's a patient whistle calling him for the initial push(es), there may be some confusion; i.e., he may think he's being called for jumping straight up.

My suggestion, if I may be so bold, is to come up with a hipcheck or push foul on a rebound right away, regardless of what happens next, in the first two minutes of the game or second half. That way the players will know they can't get away with it and will stop. If we just have patient whistles all the time, we run the risk of having the rebounders push all day with only a few calls going against them, and all it takes is one bullied rebounder to throw an elbow because his opponent isn't being called for it.

Just my thoughts. I try to referee preventively as much as possible, which is where I'm coming from with this.

[Daryl H. Long]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It's usually not my nature to be contrary

The Authority has spoken.....I say AMEN.

Message to OLD SCHOOL: Please note I have also quoted the authority to support my belief that JR does not have a contrary nature.

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It's usually not my nature to be contrary, but........

I think that that I'd need a little more information about the nature of the "hip check" before saying either way. If it's a subtle little move that might gain an advantage, then call the foul if it does gain an advantage. If it's a hockey hip check that's moving a rebounder waaaaay out of position, then just call it. If it's fairly obvious too but maybe not that excessive, you might want to call it just to clean up the rebounding action. Letting deliberate excessive contact go is just gonna give you nothing but headaches later on, especially when you end up getting a similar hip check at the other end. It's the difference between incidental contact and illegal contact. Jmo.

Nice explanation of a distinction that newer officials sometimes have trouble understanding and that completely escapes fans.