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Old Tue Mar 06, 2007, 04:20pm
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I have to tell you I was very confused by the hand signals before the reporting of the intentional foul. I was not sure what he was signaling and to what side. Also he did not need to use signals or point during the discussion with his partner. You should always avoid gestures as much as possible during those conversations.

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Old Tue Mar 06, 2007, 04:29pm
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I have to tell you I was very confused by the hand signals before the reporting of the intentional foul. I was not sure what he was signaling and to what side. Also he did not need to use signals or point during the discussion with his partner. You should always avoid gestures as much as possible during those conversations.

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Agreed. Way too much arm swinging.

Also, enjoyed listening to the befuddled announcers trying to figure out how the refs could award 2 shots on an intentional foul in which the basket counted. Sadly, the Idaho BB announcers are basically on par with Billy Packer.
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Old Tue Mar 06, 2007, 05:20pm
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I have to tell you I was very confused by the hand signals before the reporting of the intentional foul. I was not sure what he was signaling and to what side. Also he did not need to use signals or point during the discussion with his partner. You should always avoid gestures as much as possible during those conversations.

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I was confused too, looked like he was directing traffic.
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Old Tue Mar 06, 2007, 05:25pm
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lets just say he got a little excited, the best part was the commentator's commenting on it and saying that every young referee should have to watch and try and decipher I bet the ref has had a good laugh at himself after watching the video
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Old Tue Mar 06, 2007, 06:49pm
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very wierd mechanics. I havent seen them in the NCAA or the NBA. Its funny how the announcers don't know the rule on the intentional foul on a made basket.
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Old Tue Mar 06, 2007, 07:49pm
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'nother f..up

1:24:30 they shot a free throw with only 1 defender in the 1st spot.

That's what you get when you let the coaches pick the refs!!!
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Old Tue Mar 06, 2007, 07:56pm
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I Think part of the excessive hand motions had to do with what I believe is an old mechanic that is still sometimes used, and that is, when reporting fouls, as you verbalize the color of the offending team, you also point to their bench. That mechanic has never been around as long as I've been calling games, but I've seen a number of officials that have been referees longer then me do it and seem to recall someone saying that at one time, that was the proper mechanic.
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Old Tue Mar 06, 2007, 08:13pm
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I Think part of the excessive hand motions had to do with what I believe is an old mechanic that is still sometimes used, and that is, when reporting fouls, as you verbalize the color of the offending team, you also point to their bench. That mechanic has never been around as long as I've been calling games, but I've seen a number of officials that have been referees longer then me do it and seem to recall someone saying that at one time, that was the proper mechanic.
Yeah - we used to do that. We also had to check the ball at halftime to make sure there weren't any splinters from the peach baskets, too.
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Old Tue Mar 06, 2007, 10:22pm
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Absolutely hilarious listening to the announcer try to figure out the fouls and free throws!
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Old Wed Mar 07, 2007, 01:36pm
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Poor Mechanics mostly

11:30 Backcourt long switch
11:45 Same arm used to count inbounds as 10 sec count
12:25 lead official in free throw lane 1st of 2 attemps
12:29 green contact with free thrower/no warning
12:34 trail official doesn't close down goes other way on second free throw
12:55 trail puts arms out to side to indicate no 5 second count (not a high school mechanic)
13:30 trail official does not close down on 3 pt attempt
14:29 never seen that foul call mechanic in book
14:54 Trail moves over to see ball on other side (nice job)
15:13 Lead positioned under basket to give to thrower
15:42 trail moving away from nasket on 3 pt attempt
15:47 trail finally gets back to referee the play
16:38 trail moves down as ball moves into leads area(nice job)

Some things I saw watching a few minutes.
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Old Wed Mar 07, 2007, 09:40pm
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As a new official I found the time markers and the comments from the more experienced referees to be helpful (very, even).

For me, and I'm sure many other newer officials as well, I would love to see more threads like this. I know it's probably a lot of work, but I appreciate it.

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Old Tue Mar 06, 2007, 09:05pm
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1:24:30 they shot a free throw with only 1 defender in the 1st spot.

That's what you get when you let the coaches pick the refs!!!
And then five subs enter for Green following that FT, but only four players exit. The second FT is then administered with six team members on the floor for Green, and this results in a technical foul. You can count the players @ 1:24:51 and you will see the coaches trying to get the extra kid off the floor and Green #10 comes over to the bench right at the end of the FT @ 1:25:01

Not a good sequence.
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