Defensive Match-up Request..

[eyezen]

I had one actual request for a match up, by the captain no less. First in my 3 years.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

The substitute may be the game disrupter. The end-of-the-bench football player who's only on the team to stay in shape. He's going to be the one to wreck the flow of your game if you're not careful. That's the theory.

1) How is this player going to "wreck the flow of the game'? Exactly what is he going to do?

2) Careful? What exactly comprises being "careful"? Iow, what do you have to do from an official's standpoint to be "careful"?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by mick

So to answer your question, surely it's judgement.

I agree that it's judgment. But please don't call me Shirley.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I agree that it's judgment. But please don't call me Shirley.

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit (smoking drinking sniffing glue amphatamines)

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

1) How is this player going to "wreck the flow of the game'? Exactly what is he going to do?

C'mon. You must know the kind of player I'm talking about. The guy who comes in with no basketball skills and is just looking to bang bodies. I'm not talking about an "enforcer", just a kid who doesn't really know what he's doing, except that he's supposed to body-up the other team's big guy.

2) Careful? What exactly comprises being "careful"? Iow, what do you have to do from an official's standpoint to be "careful"?

I really don't know. Maybe say something to him about playing basketball, not football? I really don't know.

In my mind, the best way to deal with this kid is just call the fouls as soon as you see them and don't let him escalate it.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

C'mon. You must know the kind of player I'm talking about. The guy who comes in with no basketball skills and is just looking to bang bodies. I'm not talking about an "enforcer", just a kid who doesn't really know what he's doing, except that he's supposed to body-up the other team's big guy.

I really don't know. Maybe say something to him about playing basketball, not football? I really don't know.

In my mind, the best way to deal with this kid is just call the fouls as soon as you see them and don't let him escalate it.

...Stereotyping the kid on the weight bench. ...A kid that loves basketball. ...A kid that is trying to improve his fine motors. ...A kid that loves basketball officials. ...A kid that is always on the honor roll and who, in his spare time, visiits with the elderly.

Oh, my, Scrapper1 !

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by mick

...Stereotyping the kid on the weight bench. ...A kid that loves basketball. ...A kid that is trying to improve his fine motors. ...A kid that loves basketball officials. ...A kid that is always on the honor roll and who, in his spare time, visiits with the elderly.

Oh, my, Scrapper1 !

I have no idea what's bothering you, Mick. I specifically wrote: "I'm not talking about an "enforcer", just a kid who doesn't really know what he's doing, except that he's supposed to body-up the other team's big guy."

I'm not saying he's a bad kid. I'm saying there are kids out there who are on the team only to stay in shape and don't really know how to play basketball. That's the kid that was originally called a "game disruptor". I didn't hang that tag on him.

If you're trying to tell me that such kids don't exist, then I'm going to humbly disagree. If you're telling me that I shouldn't pre-judge him and tell him not to bleep up my game, then I completely agree and said as much. Just call the contact that's there.

I'm not "profiling" anybody. I'm not the one who brought up the "game disruptors" in the first place. I'm merely trying to explain what that person originally might have meant. What he meant was "Beware of the bruiser with no basketball skills", because this kid generally comes into the game in a mass substitution in garbage time.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

If you're trying to tell me that such kids don't exist, then I'm going to humbly disagree. If you're telling me that I shouldn't pre-judge him and tell him not to bleep up my game, then I completely agree and said as much. Just call the contact that's there.

Good call, Scrapper1.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

C'mon. You must know the kind of player I'm talking about. The guy who comes in with no basketball skills and is just looking to bang bodies. I'm not talking about an "enforcer", just a kid who doesn't really know what he's doing, except that he's supposed to body-up the other team's big guy.

1) I really don't know. Maybe say something to him about playing basketball, not football? I really don't know.

2) In my mind, the best way to deal with this kid is just call the fouls as soon as you see them and don't let him escalate it.

1) Are you really advocating warning a player not to do something before they haven't done anything at all?

2) Don't you call fouls on every player on both teams every time that player might commit a foul all through the whole game? How is dealing with this particular player so different than dealing with all players?

This whole "game-interrupter" thingy is just confusing to me. I'm just trying to get a good explanation on just exactly what it is.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

If you're telling me that I shouldn't pre-judge him and tell him not to bleep up my game, then I completely agree and said as much. Just call the contact that's there.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

1) Are you really advocating warning a player not to do something before they haven't done anything at all?

What do you really think? I'm merely trying to give a reasonable explanation for what the poster originally meant in his comments about "game disruptors".

[TRef21]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Could you explain a few things for me?

1) What exactly is a game disrupter, and could you give me some examples?
2) How substitution can be a "game disrupter"?
3) You said "talking to them". What would you say to a sub?

A disrupter is someone who comes who can make your game go south in a matter of minutes just by a stupid foul which could be intentional or Flagrant or just randomly piss the opponents off my doing stupid unnecessary common fouls. Scrapper answered your question correctly.

[TRef21]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

1) Are you really advocating warning a player not to do something before they haven't done anything at all?

2) Don't you call fouls on every player on both teams every time that player might commit a foul all through the whole game? How is dealing with this particular player so different than dealing with all players?

This whole "game-interrupter" thingy is just confusing to me. I'm just trying to get a good explanation on just exactly what it is.

1. Yes. These are the guy that get little PT and the coach wants to get them. They are giving more than the starters so they can try earn their time in the big game. I simply warning, like watch the fouls guys will go a long way. It has worked for me and they comply. The JUCO athletes do listen. 2. yes you call fouls but you don't want to disrupt the flow that you have established. You want to let these guys play to, but your game awareness has to be a hell of a lot better than when the coaches regular rotation was in.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by TRef21

...I simply warning, like watch the fouls guys will go a long way. It has worked for me and they comply...

This actually works? "Watch the fouls". And what do these supposed "scrubs" say in response? "Yes sir, we won't foul anybody?"

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TRef21

A disrupter is someone who comes who can make your game go south in a matter of minutes just by a stupid foul which could be intentional or Flagrant or just randomly piss the opponents off my doing stupid unnecessary common fouls. Scrapper answered your question correctly.

Yabut, Scrapper has got me confused with his answers too. I ain't that bright, so bear with me and explain the concept a little more clearly for me, please.

1) Can't any or all player(s) on the floor on either team, as well as any sub(s) coming in on either team, also make your game go south immediately by committing a stupid foul which could be intentional or flagrant or randomly piss off their opponents? If they do, then what's the difference with them to the "game disrupter" that you identify when subbing in?
2) Do you tell all players on both teams to "watch the fouls" or just the the players that you identify as "game disrupters"? What criteria do you use to identify these "game disrupters" when they enter a game? Appearance? Foaming at the mouth? Knuckles dragging on the floor?
3) If a coach asks you WTF you're doing warning one of his players before that player has done anything at all, what's your response to that coach?
4) Isn't it true that every time you blow your whistle for any foul or any violation, the player that committed that foul or violation is also a "game disrupter"? If you disagree, please explain how they differ.

Sorry for all the questions, but I'm really trying hard to understand the "game disrupter" concept.