Why I hate Rec league

[fonzzy07]

Originally Posted by Old School

First of all, I thought you said this was a girls game. Since it was not a playoff game and it is 5th grade. I probably wouldn't call that, just like I know you let some traveling go, some double dribbles, etc. Did the score end up like 7-6? However, it is totally unacceptable for the Coach to react the way he did. Welcome to little league basketball. The girls parents are the worse. At this level, the parents are wayyyy toooo into it. Whenever I have a game like this, I'm not taking off no shoes, I grab my bags and I'm out of there before the coach can find me. While they are shacking hands, I'm exiting.

Well we had another after that. no I think the final was like 24-19 something like that. We have been told in this league not to let that stuff go, that they need to learn sometime so better now then never. The year is almost over for them too. We allow things like that in 2nd,3rd, and some levels of 4th but after that it is basketball and guess what the kids LEARN how to really play basketball and not just foul all the time.

[ref18]

Originally Posted by fonzzy07

Well we had another after that. no I think the final was like 24-19 something like that. We have been told in this league not to let that stuff go, that they need to learn sometime so better now then never. The year is almost over for them too. We allow things like that in 2nd,3rd, and some levels of 4th but after that it is basketball and guess what the kids LEARN how to really play basketball and not just foul all the time.

My personal opinion after doing a 5th/6th grade girls tournament 2 weekends ago. They're still too young to be calling that sort of stuff They haven't developed the skills they need to. When I'm able to start calling every travel, I'll start worrying about that kind of a line violation. I'd make a note of mentioning it to the player or the coach though so they can teach their kids the proper way to do it. Because after all, in the play you described, no advantage was gained.

[fonzzy07]

Originally Posted by ref18

My personal opinion after doing a 5th/6th grade girls tournament 2 weekends ago. They're still too young to be calling that sort of stuff They haven't developed the skills they need to. When I'm able to start calling every travel, I'll start worrying about that kind of a line violation. I'd make a note of mentioning it to the player or the coach though so they can teach their kids the proper way to do it. Because after all, in the play you described, no advantage was gained.

You are correct in the advantage disadvantage thought method and that is what I TRY key word try to use. I feel an advantage was gained. The other team gets the ball down under there basket and more importantly the other team is unable to waits 9 seconds or so illegally.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by fonzzy07

You are correct in the advantage disadvantage thought method and that is what I TRY key word try to use. I feel an advantage was gained. The other team gets the ball down under there basket and more importantly the other team is unable to waits 9 seconds or so illegally.

Well, if you thought you did the right thing than you just have to live with it. Others here have told you that that's something you might want to let go. Especially if you are at half court. You keep making decisions like that and you're not going to last very long in this business. Remember, the games just about over. It is at this point in the game where we earn our money. I don't disagree with your analogy, but you have to be there (primary) to make the call. If you're going to reach out of your area to make a call, it needs to be something brutal, that we just can't let go. IOW, if there's no blood on the court you don't go into your partners area to make that call. If you do, and it happens to decide the game against my team. I, as the coach, am going to think you are cheating. You got something personal against my team. Be advised..hostilities, emotion of the moment, not good....

[Adam]

fonzzy, Good call. It's one thing to let a "little" travel go, it's quite another to let a play go that purposefully (if ignorantly) breaks the rules. This coach was teaching the girls to do something that's illegal. That's got to be called.

Would I make this call in my partner's area? No. That said, your league assigner on this apparently wants you doing this for rookies. While I don't necessarily agree with this philosophy, it is what it is. You're doing fine if that's what he wants you to do.

Now, on to your original question. Was there a game/site manager present to help you with this? If so, get him/her involved and tell them this individual needs to be escorted from the gymnasium. Your other option is (if the time frame is reasonable, I can't quite tell from the OP) to issue him a flagrant T. The comments he made to you would have been a flagrant T in the middle of a game, and the final horn does not end your jurisdiction.

After re-reading the OP, it sounds like not much time had elapsed from the final horn. In a HS game, you'd have been off the court. However, since you hadn't left, you still had jurisdiction for a T. Don't be afraid to use it; and if you do it, make it flagrant.

[reffish]

Risking to sound preachy, I want to comment. The first thing I noticed is this is a 5th grade game. I would hope that you pointed out to the players what the violation was to further prevent any further violations. Second, I admire your determination to educate your partner, however; calling the violation in front of your partner is a HUGE reach. Be patient and let your partner live and die with their whistle or lack thereof. There is nothing wrong with that. Lastly, if your assigner wants this league to be the educational environment, why not call the ball back and tell them to roll it correctly. There was no advantage gained by the 5th grade girl unknowingly roll the ball on the line. Especially if there was no press. Blow the whistle, tell the 5th grade girl how to roll the ball corretly, and then tell the coach (both of them). That is a wonderful teaching moment. This mentality is what I take into my middle school games, especially the 6th grade level games. High school and DII games, a bit differently. Thank you for reading and commenting.

[fonzzy07]

Originally Posted by reffish

Risking to sound preachy, I want to comment. The first thing I noticed is this is a 5th grade game. I would hope that you pointed out to the players what the violation was to further prevent any further violations. Second, I admire your determination to educate your partner, however; calling the violation in front of your partner is a HUGE reach. Be patient and let your partner live and die with their whistle or lack thereof. There is nothing wrong with that. Lastly, if your assigner wants this league to be the educational environment, why not call the ball back and tell them to roll it correctly. There was no advantage gained by the 5th grade girl unknowingly roll the ball on the line. Especially if there was no press. Blow the whistle, tell the 5th grade girl how to roll the ball corretly, and then tell the coach (both of them). That is a wonderful teaching moment. This mentality is what I take into my middle school games, especially the 6th grade level games. High school and DII games, a bit differently. Thank you for reading and commenting.

I would hope that you pointed out to the players what the violation was to further prevent any further violations. Correct I did this the first time she did it.
The press was allowed however. You are correct maybe that could have been a teaching moment, or maybe the first time. o well
I'M STILL INTERESTED IN IN HEARING WHAT YOU WOULD DO IF YOU WERE THE LEAGUE COMMISSIONER? WOULD YOU HAND OUT ANY PUNISHEMENT AND IF SO WHAT?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

If you're going to reach out of your area to make a call, it needs to be something brutal, that we just can't let go. IOW, if there's no blood on the court you don't go into your partners area to make that call. If you do, and it happens to decide the game against my team. I, as the coach, am going to think you are cheating. You got something personal against my team. Be advised..hostilities, emotion of the moment, not good....

And the coach's opinion matters why?