Two HS questions

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by TRef21

1. The ruling is correct. You have a double foul where both fouls are reported and plays is resumed with the AP. If the player scores the basket is wiped because of the player control foul.

Nope, your ruling is incorrect. Play is resumed with the POI rule, not the AP, and if the try is successful the goal is scored as this is a double foul, not a player control foul.

Per this NFHS casebook play which was already cited above by Tanner:

4.19.8 SITUATION C: A1 drives for a try and jumps and releases the ball. Contact occurs between A1 and B1 after the release and before airborne shooter A1 returns to the floor. One official calls a blocking foul on B1 and the other official calls a charging foul on A1. The try is successful. RULING: Even though airborne shooter A1 committed a charging foul, it is not a player-control foul because the two fouls result in a double personal foul. The double foul does not cause the ball to become dead on the try and the goal is scored. Play is resumed at the point of interruption, which is a throw-in for Team B from anywhere along the end line. (4-36)

[TRef21]

opps! I'm sorry. if he misses AP arrow. I didn't read it correctly. I feel like an idiot.

Good looking out

[Johnny Ringo]

Regading situation #1 - how many officials have had this happen while working a game?

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Regading situation #1 - how many officials have had this happen while working a game?

I have never had it happen. I dont give prelims unless there is a crash and there is no whistle.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Regading situation #1 - how many officials have had this happen while working a game?

I have had it happen about 4 times. One took place in a two man game in the dreaded trouble area on the Lead's side of the court but above FT line extended. All other times happen in 3 man games. Two of them frankly I do not see them as my fault. One of these situations originated completely in my area and my partner did not even raise their hand. Another situation my partner came right out and signaled without a stop clock signal. One of the situations I was too much in a hurry to make a call and did not see or hear my partner’s whistle or signal. Oh well, you live and learn.

Peace

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Regading situation #1 - how many officials have had this happen while working a game?

Knock on wood, but so far so good. This hasn't happened to me yet. In our pre-game, this is a topic that is always discussed and to be patient on a double whistle make good eye contact before making a signal.

[Splute]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Knock on wood, but so far so good. This hasn't happened to me yet. In our pre-game, this is a topic that is always discussed and to be patient on a double whistle make good eye contact before making a signal.

I agree with the approach of referring the double whistle to the primary. I am guessing here, due to lack of experience, but I would suspect this would happen more often on lower level games, especially if one official is not calling violations and the other feels the need to expand his coverage.... Otherwise I would like to think we are watching different things and both would not have necessarily seen the Blarge. On 3 man, I could see a greater potential for this without good communication. Again a good learning topic.

[tjones1]

It just depends. It certainly happenes at the upper levels. All different situations cause it to happen: close game, caught up in the play and try to sell the call; partner calling out of their area, or whatever. Fact is, it happens, best way to avoid it is a good pre-game addressing the blarge.