Cooling off

PIAA REF · #1 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 27, 2007, 01:46pm

Thanks guys, I appreciate the support...

To Old School, first of all I am not a cat. I am a 25 yr old white male. I also feel that even though I will agree politics play a small part is playoff assignment your judgement that I only earned the assignment 20% is way off base. Like someone else stated you do not know my state and/or how things are done here. I don't know why you even come on this sight. You have nothing to offer us true officials. Yes you may be an official but you will never be a true official. Your negative comments have proved that. You try to stir the pot but it doesn't work on here. Most of us have been posting on here for years and we know not to listen to you. You really need to evaluate yourself if you are an official because a true official would not post like you. There are many other officials on here that I may not agree with but I respect them to no end. You have lost the respect of every person on this board. Do us a favor and never post again.

PIAA REF · #2 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 01, 2007, 01:23pm

To my knowledge I am the only ref that is under 30 that is able to ref at the state level. There are a few others that are in their early 30's. I may be not thinking about one or 2 but I believe I might be the only one.

Old School · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Mar 01, 2007, 03:07pm

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To my knowledge I am the only ref that is under 30 that is able to ref at the state level. There are a few others that are in their early 30's. I may be not thinking about one or 2 but I believe I might be the only one.

I rest my case. However, I still will congratulate you (hopefully this time you Will hear it) because this is still an accomplish. Just remember, in order for you to step forward, someone was held back. I know you probably don't care about that but in the industry you seek to move up in. There are many disappointed officials and not all of them fall into the category of not good enough.

I support the strategy that assigners, just like our presidents, should have term limits.

dblref · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 02, 2007, 12:26pm

@OS

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Just remember, in order for you to step forward, someone was held back.

Not necessarily true. By working hard, PIAA REF took the initiative to get better and he stepped forward. Maybe, just maybe, those that got left behind didn't do anything to step forward.

PIAA REF · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 02, 2007, 01:10pm

Old School I won't hear anything coming from you. You are like a said not a real ref, No one likes you on here so why don't you do us all a favor and stop visiting this sight.

Old School · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 02, 2007, 01:43pm

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Old School I won't hear anything coming from you. You are like a said not a real ref, No one likes you on here so why don't you do us all a favor and stop visiting this sight.

I'll tell you what young man, you keep talking and thinking like that, and your stay at state playoff's will be short lived.

SmokeEater · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 02, 2007, 01:46pm

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I'll tell you what young man, you keep talking and thinking like that, and your stay at state playoff's will be short lived.

Hahaha, This just about made me Pee my Pants......

Like you can do anything about it, take care of getting your own back yard in order first OS.

Adam · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 02, 2007, 02:06pm

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I'll tell you what young man, you keep talking and thinking like that, and your stay at state playoff's will be short lived.

PIAA Ref, you'd better apologize, or you'll never get a rec league game again.

mplagrow · #9 (**permalink**) Sat Mar 03, 2007, 02:40pm

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I'll tell you what young man, you keep talking and thinking like that, and your stay at state playoff's will be short lived.

K-Bach · #10 (**permalink**) Sat Mar 03, 2007, 01:31pm

"The majority of the ball simply is not that good..." Games rarely live up to their hype; that doesn't reflect the officials' selection process though.

"More often than not, selection to HS playoffs is more political [than] it is how good you are." I presume you have the statistics to support this statement? I didn't think so.
"He probably earned 20% of his way." Do I even need to ask if you can corroborate this statement with statistics, or even clarify the criteria you have used to develop this estimate?

"...knowing this country's poor track record of discrimination in hiring, especially in sports, an eyebrow raises when someone who's being doing it for such a short period of time is chosen over a person who's been doing it much longer." America's poor track record of discrimination reflects those in positions of influence sharing their power with their own ilk, not throwing favours to impertinent young hucksters. However, eyebrows are often raised when a young person advances -- those who feel entitled by birth, ethnicity, age, or whatever, raise their eyebrows and wonder why some young schmuck has gone and made himself qualified for the position they have coveted in all the wrong ways.

"...in order for you to step forward, someone was held back..." Ah, more sour grapes. Apparently, individual progress is only possible if someone else is unfairly punished. Being rewarded for one's hard work and overall improvement must be foreign to you. This doesn't mean others are held back; it means they still have room to improve.

"I'll tell you what young man, you keep talking and thinking like that, and your stay at state playoff's will be short lived." Beautiful! Your argument falls apart under scrutiny and you resort to baseless and empty threats. Ooooh!

"You know, if he's working games at that level, his head is swollen and if he goes and cocks off to the wrong person, that could be his demise." After your threats fail, you accuse him of youthful hubris and disrespect. Clearly, anyone so young and accomplished is a ticking time bomb who should not be trusted, despite his previous behaviours.

Old School -- you strike me as petty, vengeful, bitter, ill-informed, poorly vitriolic, and sad...really sad.

Old School · #11 (**permalink**) Sat Mar 03, 2007, 08:53pm

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"The majority of the ball simply is not that good..." Games rarely live up to their hype; that doesn't reflect the officials' selection process though. I didn't say it did, but I'm glad you agree. Most HS playoff ball is boring.

"More often than not, selection to HS playoffs is more political [than] it is how good you are." I presume you have the statistics to support this statement? I didn't think so. Question asked and answered. How about you give me a chance to respond. The reason I say HS is worse than most others is because you see the same people over and over. And some of these people are simply bad officials. Some are getting too old. I really do not have a problem with HS playoffs because I just don't think it's worth all the effort, the pay is minimal and combine that with a half-azz game and to me it's just not worth it, imo. So I don't pursue it as hard as I do other types of games that are way more competitive.

I do hear a lot of officials complaining, maybe it's because there are just way more who don't get selected than there are people who do. One more thing, their voices are all saying the same thing. That's where you're going to run into problems. If they where to all get together and file a class action lawsuit against the state HS school organizations selection process. Me thinks the HS selection committee would be in a little bit of trouble with the government. The 20 year old would not look good for the home team. The funny little thing about our government, they don't like to see companies come up with criteria for hiring that only a young man can pass, or that unfairly punishes one group (older Americans) over another.

Last, and to round out my argument. I am squarely in the camp that I don't believe you have to be "super referee" to referee these games. We see mistakes made all the time at all levels. Until we get over that fact, it's going to always be a problem here. In other words, JBurr doesn't have to ref the final four every year. Just think how screwed up this country would be if we selected our president this way! Only the most qualified guy be the president. Our president would never change, and some committee would be in control of who gets to run this country, and every year, it would be the same guy over and over and over. For far too long, they have gotten away with this in the sporting industry. That's just my opinion though....

"He probably earned 20% of his way." Do I even need to ask if you can corroborate this statement with statistics, or even clarify the criteria you have used to develop this estimate? Yes, the boy confirmed it for me.

Old School -- you strike me as petty, vengeful, bitter, ill-informed, poorly vitriolic, and sad...really sad.

I wasn't trying to strike you as anything. I was just trying to make a point that you and the others took the wrong way and then ran off the cliff with it. To this date, no one has acknowledge that I said congratulation to the OP. Vengeful, not. I'm only vengeful when you strike at me.

Adam · #12 (**permalink**) Sat Mar 03, 2007, 11:20pm

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I wasn't trying to strike you as anything. I was just trying to make a point that you and the others took the wrong way and then ran off the cliff with it. To this date, no one has acknowledge that I said congratulation to the OP. Vengeful, not. I'm only vengeful when you strike at me.

That's because it was a backhanded congratulations. "Nice job, but...."