How do you call this?

[ranjo]

I have seen a similar thread in the past years, but can't find it now and can't remember how it ended.

A1 takes a short jumper from the free throw line. B1 turns toward the basket anticipating a possible rebound. The ball bounces off the backboard toward A1 who secures it and drives into the lane for a layup, but in the process contacts B1 from behind, knocking him to the floor as he makes the layup.

My problem is this: B1 did not have a legal guarding position as he was not facing his opponet, but he did get where he was first and he did get there legally.

Minor contact I would let go, but I'm not sure how to interpet the rules when there is excessive contact.

Block? Charge? No Call? How have some of you handled this?

[Terrapins Fan]

I got an offensive foul ( player control ). no basket and we are going the other way, no free throws.

[Jurassic Referee]

Rule 4-23-1--"Every player is entitled to a spot on the playing court provided such player gets there first without illegally contacting an opponent." LGP doesn't affect that premise. If they now get run over by an opponent after attaining their legal spot, you can't call a foul on the player being run over. The options are either a no-call or a foul on the player doing the charging, depending on whether the contact was illegal or incidental.

[ranjo]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Rule 4-23-1--"Every player is entitled to a spot on the playing court provided such player gets there first without illegally contacting an opponent." LGP doesn't affect that premise. If they now get run over by an opponent after attaining their legal spot, you can't call a foul on the player being run over. The options are either a no-call or a foul on the player doing the charging, depending on whether the contact was illegal or incidental.

The good thing is that after it happened last night, I did call it correctly based on your interpertation. I just needed someone to to put it into perspective and help me differentiate between LGP and legal spot.

Thanks!

[Nevadaref]

ranjo,
Do you have the Simplified & Illustrated book? My most recent copy is from 2005-06. Your play is depicted on page 27. The shooter is crashing into the back of a defender who is facing the basket and not the player with the ball. Here is the caption:

4-19-6 Number 5 has legal position on the court before No. 4 becomes airborne. The foul is on No. 4, the goal does not count if it is made because it is a player-control foul. A player-control foul causes the ball to become dead immediately. Number 4 is an airborne shooter after releasing the ball on a try until he returns to the floor.

[Camron Rust]

Just remember that LGP's only purpose is to allow the defense to be moving/jumping at the time of contact and still be able to draw a charge. If the player is not moving/jumping, they don't need LGP.

[ranjo]

[QUOTE=Nevadaref]ranjo,
Do you have the Simplified & Illustrated book? My most recent copy is from 2005-06. Your play is depicted on page 27. The shooter is crashing into the back of a defender who is facing the basket and not the player with the ball. Here is the caption:



I don't own the book nor have I ever had the oportunity to look at one, but I take it you would highly recomend it? I'm all for Simple & Illustrated!

[WhistlesAndStripes]

I recommend the comic book, as we so affectionately call it, to all new officials for the first couple of years.

[TRef21]

Originally Posted by ranjo

I have seen a similar thread in the past years, but can't find it now and can't remember how it ended.

A1 takes a short jumper from the free throw line. B1 turns toward the basket anticipating a possible rebound. The ball bounces off the backboard toward A1 who secures it and drives into the lane for a layup, but in the process contacts B1 from behind, knocking him to the floor as he makes the layup.

My problem is this: B1 did not have a legal guarding position as he was not facing his opponet, but he did get where he was first and he did get there legally.

Minor contact I would let go, but I'm not sure how to interpet the rules when there is excessive contact.

Block? Charge? No Call? How have some of you handled this?

I Have a CHARGE. . Remember everyone is entitled to a spot on the floor. B has established a guarding position on a player with out the ball. Time and distance shall be required to attain initial guarding position. He needs give no more than two strides on a player with out the ball, has to give the oppent time and distance and when A is airborne he must on the floor before A is in flight.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by TRef21

I Have a CHARGE. . Remember everyone is entitled to a spot on the floor. B has established a guarding position on a player with out the ball. Time and distance shall be required to attain initial guarding position. He needs give no more than two strides on a player with out the ball, has to give the oppent time and distance and when A is airborne he must on the floor before A is in flight.

Tommy, while you have the call right, your reasoning is not fully correct. B1 has established a spot on the floor and is entitled to that spot having reached it first. However, nothing else which you wrote applies as A1 does have the ball in this scenario and B1 never establishes a guarding position on him. In fact, B1 never even attempts to guard A1. A1 merely runs him over from behind.