Bob Knight's Latest Comments about College Officials

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by DC_Ref12

I make a concerted effort to do the 10-second count every time, no exceptions. .

I like that staement a whole lot better...And I agree with you!

[Camron Rust]

Someone mentioned the issue of independant contractor status being the reason that the number of games per week could not be limited.

Its not that hard, the independant contract excuse is a red herring.

All that would have to be done is make the contract for a game require that the official be in town 24 hours before the game time or specify in the contract what they could do for a period of time before a game. Unless they could book 2 games in the same town, they couldn't do back-to-back nights....or they would be inviolation of the contract terms.

[REFVA]

All that would have to be done is make the contract for a game require that the official be in town 24 hours before the game time or specify in the contract what they could do for a period of time before a game. Unless they could book 2 games in the same town, they couldn't do back-to-back nights....or they would be inviolation of the contract terms.

I disagree with that statement. This is America, if an official is capable of doing multiple games in a week such as 6 games in 6 days why not? Basketball season is short. If the officials were not harrasses as much as we get, maybe you might be able to get more possible candidates in the pipeline. So there wouldn't be a shortage of potential officials.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by REFVA

I disagree with that statement. This is America, if an official is capable of doing multiple games in a week such as 6 games in 6 days why not?.

I made no claim about whether they should or should not be woring 6 days in a row. I only dispelled the claim that being indpendant contractors prevented a conference from putting "rest period" requirements on the officials. They could put anything they want in the contract. The officials that didn't want to abide by the terms wouldn't take the games.

Originally Posted by REFVA

Basketball season is short. If the officials were not harrasses as much as we get, maybe you might be able to get more possible candidates in the pipeline. So there wouldn't be a shortage of potential officials.

You really think there would be a shortage of officials wanting to work D1 games?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Someone mentioned the issue of independant contractor status being the reason that the number of games per week could not be limited.

Its not that hard, the independant contract excuse is a red herring.

All that would have to be done is make the contract for a game require that the official be in town 24 hours before the game time or specify in the contract what they could do for a period of time before a game. Unless they could book 2 games in the same town, they couldn't do back-to-back nights....or they would be inviolation of the contract terms.

There are conferences that stipulate that you have to be in town the evening before if you have an afternoon game. But conferences would be shooting themselves in the foot if they did what you suggested. They would lose a lot of good out-of-region officials. You also have supervisors who assign for multiple conferences. Those conferences often schedule their games so that officials can work one night in one conference and the next night in the other conference.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by CamronRust

All that would have to be done is make the contract for a game require that the official be in town 24 hours before the game time or specify in the contract what they could do for a period of time before a game. Unless they could book 2 games in the same town, they couldn't do back-to-back nights....or they would be inviolation of the contract terms.

Originally Posted by REFVA

I disagree with that statement. This is America, if an official is capable of doing multiple games in a week such as 6 games in 6 days why not?

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

But conferences would be shooting themselves in the foot if they did what you suggested. They would lose a lot of good out-of-region officials.

Respectfully, I think you guys are missing Camron's point. I don't think he's advocating the contract stipulations. I think he's merely pointing out that being an "independent contractor" has limits that can be worked into the contract.

The statement "Conferences can't limit the number of games an official works because he/she is an independent contractor" is not true. I think that was Camron's only point.

Am I right, Camron? If so, where's my cookie?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Respectfully, I think you guys are missing Camron's point. I don't think he's advocating the contract stipulations. I think he's merely pointing out that being an "independent contractor" has limits that can be worked into the contract.

But like I said, conferences would lose out on some good officials who travel to work for them. Someone who works in both the ACC and Big Ten, but lives in the Southeast is not going to sacrifice ACC games just so they can be in town 24 hours ahead of time to work a Big Ten game and the same for a guy living in the Midwest who works in both the Big 10 and Pac 10.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

There are conferences that stipulate that you have to be in town the evening before if you have an afternoon game. But conferences would be shooting themselves in the foot if they did what you suggested. They would lose a lot of good out-of-region officials. You also have supervisors who assign for multiple conferences. Those conferences often schedule their games so that officials can work one night in one conference and the next night in the other conference.

If the smaller leagues did it without the top leagues, it would hurt the smaller leagues.

But, if the top conferences made it a requirement for thier leages, do you really think those top officials would chose to give up the ACC, SEC, PAC10, etc. games and, instead, take the Mid-America, Big Sky, etc. games?

Sure, that would keep the top officials from working the smaller conferences in between the bigger games...but the ACC, SEC, etc. would not be that concerned for the officiating of the smaller conferences. They primarily care about thier own games.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If the smaller leagues did it without the top leagues, it would hurt the smaller leagues.

But, if the top conferences made it a requirement for thier leages, do you really think those top officials would chose to give up the ACC, SEC, PAC10, etc. games and, instead, take the Mid-America, Big Sky, etc. games?

Sure, that would keep the top officials from working the smaller conferences in between the bigger games...but the ACC, SEC, etc. would not be that concerned for the officiating of the smaller conferences. They primarily care about thier own games.

You also have guys who work ACC one day, Big East the next, A-10 the next. You also have mid-Majors who are trying to move to the next level and hiring top notch officials. They are willing to have an official work the Big-10 one day and their own conference the next. Unless you get at all the majors to agree it will never work.