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Old Mon Feb 19, 2007, 10:27pm
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I watched a game the other day where one official doesn't count in the backcourt coming up, like it's the NBA, and another official lined up to the inside of the player when inbounding from the baseline. How the hell does these guys get to be a DI officials?
So you count every single time the ball is in the backcourt? What's wrong w/ being on the inside on a baseline throw-in if the spot is near the 3 point arc??
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Old Tue Feb 20, 2007, 10:10am
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So you count every single time the ball is in the backcourt?
Yes, because the mechanics of the NCAA Men's rulebook tells me too. How is the ref going to call a 10 second violation and he never displayed a count? That's not going to go over too good.
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What's wrong w/ being on the inside on a baseline throw-in if the spot is near the 3 point arc??
#1, the spot was close to the F/T lane and the ref was actually inside of the lane area on one of the inbounds. I couldn't believe it! One things for sure, seeing officials out there doing it wrong, gives me opportunity. I view the glass as half full. If I keep my nose to grindstone, keep trying to get better, seeing poor mechnaincs like this gives me hope. On the hand hand, if everybody is doing good, then I'm okay with having to wait my turn. With competition so stiff amoung DI officials. I just think we should never see poor mechanics on TV like that. Maybe it had a lot to do with the weather and flights being cancel, had to get a local NBA/FIBA guy to fill in.
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Old Tue Feb 20, 2007, 10:14am
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Yes, because the mechanics of the NCAA Men's rulebook tells me too. How is the ref going to call a 10 second violation and he never displayed a count? That's not going to go over too good.
Someone please get me some Pepto, cause I'm about to agree with Old School.

I do the 10-second count every time, no exceptions. I've been burned a couple of times by late traps in the backcourt after thinking the dribbler was free and clear. Each time, the coach was on me about not doing the 10-second count. Coaches watch you do your count. They notice if you are or not, and they hold you accountable.

Even if every time down the court there is no pressure, doing the count will demonstrate to coaches, players and fans that you're taking your job - and the rules - seriously.

Just my $0.02.
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Old Tue Feb 20, 2007, 01:05pm
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I do the 10-second count every time, no exceptions.
Just my $0.02.
Somehow I doubt that statement...so you are Lead as A4 shoots a long three. B5 rebounds and throws a quick outlet to B1 who races up the sideline...all of that took about 2 seconds max - and you counted? I don't think so...
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Old Tue Feb 20, 2007, 01:21pm
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Somehow I doubt that statement...so you are Lead as A4 shoots a long three. B5 rebounds and throws a quick outlet to B1 who races up the sideline...all of that took about 2 seconds max - and you counted? I don't think so...
If you're asking if I've ever missed a 10-second count, yes, I have. Especially in an instance such as this one.

But, I do make a concerted effort to do the 10-second count no matter what the situation. And, I would consider missing the count in your example as a faux pas. A minor one, of course, but I try to be exact.

My point is that if you don't START the count correctly, you can NEVER finish it correctly or accurately. And you really never know what is going to happen in certain situations. As I said before, I could assume that the player with the ball is going to cross half court in plenty of time, but what do you do when the unexpected trap occurs, or the ball bounces of his foot and rolls away from him and the defense collapses or...or...or. Better to be safe than sorry.

ETA: I can understand what I implied by my earlier post. It should have read that I make a concerted effort to do the 10-second count every time, no exceptions. Sometimes you miss stuff, though. That's life.
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Old Tue Feb 20, 2007, 01:45pm
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I count every time in my high school games, even on a break away. I never count in my college games...but then I'm working on the women's side for now.
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Anyone have a web link to the Knight article?
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Old Tue Feb 20, 2007, 02:48pm
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I make a concerted effort to do the 10-second count every time, no exceptions. .
I like that staement a whole lot better...And I agree with you!
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Someone mentioned the issue of independant contractor status being the reason that the number of games per week could not be limited.

Its not that hard, the independant contract excuse is a red herring.

All that would have to be done is make the contract for a game require that the official be in town 24 hours before the game time or specify in the contract what they could do for a period of time before a game. Unless they could book 2 games in the same town, they couldn't do back-to-back nights....or they would be inviolation of the contract terms.
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