Celebration - Overtime

[All_Heart]

There was a game last night where a player hit a half court shot to tie the game at the end of the 4th quarter. The horn went off when the ball was in flight. The bench cleared and a huge celebration took place in the middle of the court with half the bleachers emptying onto the floor.

My question is at what point should a technical foul be called or not called?

This is a region playoff game and it was the home team that hit the shot. It's hard to imagine that any team in this situation wouldn't react this way.

I found this case play:

5.6.2 SITUATION G: The score is tied when A1 is fouled in the act of shooting and the try is unsuccessful. Playing time for the fourth quarter expires while the ball is in flight. No players are allowed along the lane. A1's first free-throw attempt is successful. Immediately following the made free throw the occupants of the Team A bench rush onto the court and a mini celebration takes place. RULING: The second free throw is not required. No penalty unless the celebration or any act is unsporting and a foul is charged to Team A before the final score has been approved. (5-6-2 Exception 3)

This play is a little different because the game was over and no overtime would be played. Are they saying ignore the celebration because the game is over or because it's not effecting anything? I could see the argument that the other team loses some momentum due to the fact that it takes a couple of minutes to get the court ready for overtime.

Of course if a technical is called it would be administered in the extra period not in the 4th quarter. (2 shots and the ball at the division line)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stmaryrams

Game over - count the basket and get off the court - The end

(Kool and the Gang playing in the backround...Celebrate)

Read it again; the shot tied the game so you have another half-quarter to play.
They should not react that way, even though they may want to. Start the OT with two free throws and the ball at half court for the visiting team.

I almost forgot; don't be afraid to ask for your police escort.

[psujaye]

if the game was tied after the shot, the game isn't over (unless i misunderstood the story).

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by psujaye

if the game was tied after the shot, the game isn't over (unless i misunderstood the story).

You didn't, stmary just misread the situation, no biggie.

[j51969]

Have fun volunteering for the prison leagues. That's about all you'll be able to book if you make that call. I'm not saying YOU would. I saying anyone who would, doesn't have the temperment for the game. Common sense isn't in the case book, the rule book, or in an AR by the NF. However, it's probably one of the most important tools you can use. It's sport, and like life, sport isn't devoid of emotion. That's why we ref, and that's why they play. That kid won't forget that for the rest of her life. Imagine taking that away.

[muxbule]

Bummer for the home team but call the "T" and start the OT with 2 free throws and the ball.

If the team had stayed on the bench and only the crowd spilled onto the court would you have the same call??

[DC_Ref12]

Originally Posted by muxbule

Bummer for the home team but call the "T" and start the OT with 2 free throws and the ball.

If the team had stayed on the bench and only the crowd spilled onto the court would you have the same call??

Agreed. Fans are one thing, but the team should know better. T'em up and guaranteed it teaches them a lesson.

[Dan_ref]

Under NCAA rules there is no T. Not even a judgement issue.

10.3.21

Art. 21. Delaying the game by preventing the ball from being promptly made live or by preventing continuous play. This shall also apply to bench personnel.

a. When the delay does not interfere with play, it shall be ignored and play shall be continued or be resumed at the point of interruption.

[j51969]

I can't believe some of you would actually call a T in this case. I could see if there was some taunting or if the quarter hadn't ended. In the original post this was a regional, not that it would make any difference to me. What is the true spirit an intent of the rule. I'm not saying you'd be miss applying a rule. But don't you think your missing the intent of the rule?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by j51969

Have fun volunteering for the prison leagues. That's about all you'll be able to book if you make that call. I'm not saying YOU would. I saying anyone who would, doesn't have the temperment for the game. Common sense isn't in the case book, the rule book, or in an AR by the NF. However, it's probably one of the most important tools you can use. It's sport, and like life, sport isn't devoid of emotion. That's why we ref, and that's why they play. That kid won't forget that for the rest of her life. Imagine taking that away.

I couldn't find an image for a steaming pile of poo, so you'll just have to imagine one here.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by j51969

I can't believe some of you would actually call a T in this case. I could see if there was some taunting or if the quarter hadn't ended. In the original post this was a regional, not that it would make any difference to me. What is the true spirit an intent of the rule. I'm not saying you'd be miss applying a rule. But don't you think your missing the intent of the rule?

So you're saying that the NCAA officials who called the T on the crowd coming on the court last season (Duke/Florida State) were wrong?

The game's not over and the crowd comes onto the court like this? If it takes more time to clear up and start immediately than if they had not come on the floor....darned right I'd have a technical foul.

[Ref Daddy]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

I couldn't find an image for a steaming pile of poo, so you'll just have to imagine one here.

ps: it's fake.

[DC_Ref12]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

So you're saying that the NCAA officials who called the T on the crowd coming on the court last season (Duke/Florida State) were wrong?

The game's not over and the crowd comes onto the court like this? If it takes more time to clear up and start immediately than if they had not come on the floor....darned right I'd have a technical foul.

I was thinking of the same thing.

http://www.newsobserver.com/122/story/413188.html

In that game, there were still 1.7 seconds left in the game and the fans inexplicably rushed the court. But to me, there's no difference between time being left on the clock and the game not being over due to overtime. The fans don't belong on the court during the game. It's not safe for the players, the officials, anybody.

[Adam]

Bench clearing is one thing, and even if the bleachers start to spill out a bit, that's okay. I'll herd them back to their bench and we'll play on once game management gets the crowd back to their seats; if they can do it in a reasonable amount of time.
But a "huge celebration in the middle of the court?" I'm assuming the players were involved in this "huge celebration," in which case I'm likely to issue the T.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

So you're saying that the NCAA officials who called the T on the crowd coming on the court last season (Duke/Florida State) were wrong?

As I recall there was still time on the clock in that game.