Coach refuses to sit down

[dkmz17]

Coach has been, as coaches go, fairly silent regarding the officiating up to this point. Coach reacts to play on the court and stands calling for a foul. Referee calls a foul at about the same time, but Coach continues to stand, although is now simply talking to his team. Referee tells the Coach to sit down and Coach responds by saying "I don't have to sit down". Referee repeats his request and Coach continues to stand. Referee gives the Coach a T. Coach was at all times in the coaches box, in fact, coach never moved from in front of his chair. Was the T warranted?

[deecee]

depends what the area rule is about coaches standing. In soCal coaches have a box and are allowed to stand. If that is the case an official CANNOT tell a coach to sit down. That can only be reccommended or suggested AFTER the 1st direct or indirect T on the coach.

When I coached boys HS I got a T for this because the official told me to sit down for the rest of the quarter and I responded with "you are out of line telling me to sit down". Always let a coach bark first -- if you are the first to bark and he responds and you dont like it that's baiting and wrong IMO.

[chartrusepengui]

In WI varsity head coaches have box and can stand throughout game in them. Officials cannot tell them to sit - and cannot T them for "not sitting".

UNLESS the coach has receive a T. Once he has received a T - directly or indirectly - he loses the privledge of standing in the box. If he does not sit after the T - he will receive another and be gone altogether. This is only for head varsity coaches and not for assistants or at any other level.

[Zoochy]

1) deecee made a good point. If official 'barks' first, then do not assest a 'T' if the coach 'barks' back.
2) In Missouri, it is called a "Coaching Box", not a "Standing Box". If they want to observe the game, then it should be done while their butt is in the chair.
Also, just because they are in their "Coaching Box" this does not give them privilege to yell at the officials.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

1) deecee made a good point. If official 'barks' first, then do not assest a 'T' if the coach 'barks' back.
2) In Missouri, it is called a "Coaching Box", not a "Standing Box". If they want to observe the game, then it should be done while their butt is in the chair.
Also, just because they are in their "Coaching Box" this does not give them privilege to yell at the officials.

Nonsense. A coach has every right to stand in a coaching box.

[tnzebra]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Nonsense. A coach has every right to stand in a coaching box.

Agreed......

[Ignats75]

In Missouri, it is called a "Coaching Box", not a "Standing Box". If they want to observe the game, then it should be done while their butt is in the chair.

ITs been a while since I was on the darkside, but when I coached, WATCHING the team fail to execute BEFORE I YELLED AT THEM, was part of my coaching! Of course, I never, ever yelled at the officials.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Nonsense. A coach has every right to stand in a coaching box.

Exactly! Part of coaching is observing the performance of your team and of the other team in order to make adjustments. Imagine if we had to referee form a seated position. Could we see as well? So, even if a coach says absolutely NOTHING while standing in the box, he IS coaching. In fact, he might even be one of the best coaches.

[ranjo]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Nonsense. A coach has every right to stand in a coaching box.

With that quote in mind, here is a situation that happened to my wife two weeks ago. (varsity girls coach - single A school in Va.) This is her side of the story.

After a called foul, she beckons one of her players over to the bench to talk to her. While she is talking she hears the calling official say "Coach, Coach" and thinking she is out of her box, does a little backward jump, realizes she is indeed already in her box, and goes on talking with her player. Again she hears "Coach, Coach", looks at the official and he is waving her back because she is in his line of site with the table while he is trying to report the foul. She says to him "Aren't you supposed to come out to the middle of the floor to do that?"

Tweet! Technical Foul on red coach. - She sits down.

Even though Her team won the game she is not a happy camper when she gets home and starts asking me what she can do about it. I've been in this situation before and know I have to be careful to stay on solid ground. After all she is my wife and controls a lot of things that happen and don't happen around the homefront. I told her there was not much she could do about it as the ref probably thought she was showing him up.

My next question was "have you got that on tape?" Two days later I am watching the tape and starting to believe she was telling the gospel truth. The only thing I can't get from the tape is the tone she used to communicate her question.

Took her three days to get over it.

BRAGGING HERE: She finished up undefeated in her district and gets an automatic bid to regionals with a team that didn't win a single game last year before she took them over.

[eyezen]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

2) In Missouri, it is called a "Coaching Box", not a "Standing Box". If they want to observe the game, then it should be done while their butt is in the chair.

I don't know where exactly in STL you call but on my side of the river (the Missouri river that is...) that philosophy would not be good for advancement.

[stmaryrams]

Now if this guy is the Assistant...."T" is appropriate.

Also in Ohio, while we have a coaching box, it must be marked and equal for both team as far as aproximate length 14' and distance to the table. If it is not marked... there is no box.

Home admin usually gets out the tape when I tell them that pregame.

[Terrapins Fan]

Something that is working for me....in my pre game with the coaches, I say " coach, we are enforcing the coaches box tonight"...not a warning since I started to use that line and I had 3's "T" for the box before that.

In Maryland, we use a coaches box too. Is there any where left that doesn't use a box?

[Ref Daddy]

Originally Posted by dkmz17

Coach has been, as coaches go, fairly silent regarding the officiating up to this point. Coach reacts to play on the court and stands calling for a foul. Referee calls a foul at about the same time, but Coach continues to stand, although is now simply talking to his team. Referee tells the Coach to sit down and Coach responds by saying "I don't have to sit down". Referee repeats his request and Coach continues to stand. Referee gives the Coach a T. Coach was at all times in the coaches box, in fact, coach never moved from in front of his chair. Was the T warranted?

Maybe yes, maybe no. You needed to see the whole "play" (with the coach).

Referee's call. T given - T works.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by dkmz17

Coach has been, as coaches go, fairly silent regarding the officiating up to this point. Coach reacts to play on the court and stands calling for a foul. Referee calls a foul at about the same time, but Coach continues to stand, although is now simply talking to his team. Referee tells the Coach to sit down and Coach responds by saying "I don't have to sit down". Referee repeats his request and Coach continues to stand. Referee gives the Coach a T. Coach was at all times in the coaches box, in fact, coach never moved from in front of his chair. Was the T warranted?

It may or may not deserve the T, but it's silly for the coach to argue like that. Just sit down, shut up, and then stand again when the ref isn't in your face. This kind of facing off is pointless.

[deecee]

julie why is is silly for the coach to argue like that and not silly for the official to make such a request. This thread actually touches me in places Michael Jackson would love to have explored 20 years ago but I received a T for the exact same reason. I think sometimes we get on coaches here just because we are supposed to but the answer to the question that was posed is that from what information we are given the T was not warranted.