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Old Sat Feb 03, 2007, 04:22pm
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Inbound pass deflection goes OOB - time?

2nd quarter 1.8 left on the clock, I am new trail opposite administrating a designated spot throw-in under the basket for team B. Inbounds pass goes out towards table and immediately deflected OOB by the defense. Clock still reads 1.8. Team B calls timeout. Team A wants time off. We discuss during timeout. R decides to leave time as is.

5-9-2 If the referee determines that the clock was not started or stopped properly, or if the clock did not run, an official's count or other official information can be used to make a correction.

Intuitively I feel some time has to come off, but can we justify it and if so how much? Obviously there won't be any accurate count.

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Old Sat Feb 03, 2007, 04:24pm
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Leave it alone. You have no way of knowing realistically how much time to run off. What can you do, try to justify taking off .2? Play on.
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Old Sat Feb 03, 2007, 04:25pm
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Old Sat Feb 03, 2007, 04:37pm
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Thanks for the replies. I was pretty sure the R was right by rule, and your answers clarify that for me.

But you have to agree (or maybe you don't :-) that intuitively some time has elapsed. I wish there was a clarification by the FED one way or the other as this type of play seems to happen quite a bit. Say this play happened under the offensive basket, we've seen every tick count. If the FED comes out and says no time has to come off then so be it.
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Old Sat Feb 03, 2007, 04:43pm
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There's no way to accurately estimate it. It's not a pefect world.
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Old Sat Feb 03, 2007, 04:46pm
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Agreed, but then where did the .3 tap rule come from?
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Old Sat Feb 03, 2007, 05:13pm
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Agreed, but then where did the .3 tap rule come from?
The 3 tenths rule has nothing to do with putting on or taking time off the clock.
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Old Sat Feb 03, 2007, 05:29pm
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BktBallRef:

I know that.

Snaqwells made the case that the FED would have no way to accurately estimate the amount of time a deflection would take hence there is no definitely ruling.

I was merely making a parallel statement on where then did they (FED, NCAA whomever) get .3 seconds as to the amount of time that decides whether a player can catch and shoot versus a tap for a try for goal.

Sorry my statement wasn't clear.
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Old Sat Feb 03, 2007, 11:58pm
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Agreed, but then where did the .3 tap rule come from?
There's a key difference here. The fed (and virtually every other governing basketball organization) has ruled that it's physically impossible to catch and shoot in .3 seconds or less. That's something that can be empirically challenged and proven beyond reasonable doubt.

There is no way to estimate how long it takes for the ball to go from a player's hand to the floor OOB on a tip. It truly could take less than .1 second if the player is close enough to the line and the ball touches him close enough to the floor. There are too many variables that cannot be accounted for.
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My rule book is two floors up, but I believe in NBA rules, at least 0.3 seconds must come off on plays where an inbounded pass is immediately tipped out of bounds with a stopped clock.

I also believe that NCAA and NFHS have no such provision.
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