I hate Changes!

[jdw3018]

We go with all high school ball on Tu/Fri, and MS ball on M/Th.

High school is generally both JV games at 5:00 in different gyms, with V G/B after that, sometimes with additional sub-varsity/freshman games in the 2nd gym after the first JV game.

[PIAA REF]

The major problem that I see is I don't like un-needed changes. The teams schools around here like the routine of games. The only reason that they are changing it is because of Title IX. Why should Tilte IX care which day girls or boys play. I just seeing it as un-needed. I also think it will be more difficult for assignors to cover the games. Our chapter is all ready low on officials. Thats my beef!

[archangel]

and if a high school AD said it, it must be true!!

[Junker]

Could be worse. Around here you have to work girl/boy double headers most nights. In addition, we have separate athletic unions so we have to join both. Pay dues for both, take different tests for both. It kind of sucks, but that's the way it goes.

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by archangel

and if a high school AD said it, it must be true!!

Almost as reliable as the internet . . .

[sj]

I think the the legal eagles may have been in places already. We've always done it with girl/boy doubleheaders mainly on Tuesdays and Fridays. For some reason they changed about 4 years ago so that the boys would play first followed by the girls. It backfired and they have been back to girls first ever since. Fortunately I think the girls games are getting more popular as time goes on as the players are getting better and better what with all the youth leagues and tournaments they can play in. I'm at the school of the defending 5A girls champions tonight. They pull in pretty good crowds. These were a group of girls that grew up playing in tournaments and games as kids all over and it paid off for them. And the crowds follow.

[TimTaylor]

I really don't see the big deal. Even though the scheduling may switch around the total number of games is still the same, so I don't see how it could have a significant effect on availability of officials.

It doesn't matter to me whether I work boys or girls games. Overall I work a fairly evenly split mix, but it varies from week to week. For example, this week I have 5 boys & 1 girls game on my schedule, but next week I have 4 girls and 2 boys games. Our association covers both boys & girls games at all levels for our area. We have 300+ members and cover over 7000 games each season - all handled by one assignor.

[Ref in PA]

What I think you will see is more specialization of refs. Certain refs will be boys refs and others will be girls refs. In my area we have two different assignors for boys and another for girls (and another for JV and below, another for rec league, another for christian schools and yet another for catholic schools - talk about confusion!).

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Ref in PA

What I think you will see is more specialization of refs. Certain refs will be boys refs and others will be girls refs. In my area we have two different assignors for boys and another for girls (and another for JV and below, another for rec league, another for christian schools and yet another for catholic schools - talk about confusion!).

Well, if Title IX really gets steamrolling, will that be allowed? If it's already dictating (at least to some degree) schedules and facilities, will there come a time when they begin to mandate that the girls must have the same officials too?

[Chess Ref]

I work in a pretty big Assoc. We have 120 HS and about 300 refs. I always stay and watch the V game after my Frosh/JV doubleheader.

Two nights ago, middle of the pack boys game. The V refs consist of a very experienced,in shape top dog and a young, slick,good looking up and coming stud. Did a great job in a tight contest. They looked great.

Last night middle of the pack GV game. Both teams battling for a playoff spot. Both V refs were at least 40 lbs overweight. One when trail barely took 2 steps past the division line. Neither moved very well. Appearance wise they looked just horrible.

All 4 teams play summer ball.All 4 teams ,I assume practice the hour / hour and a half a day. The girls seemed to want to win as bad as the boys teams. They all put in the same time and effort.

This is a pattern I see all season long. Would the world as we know it end if the girls , once in a while, got thrown a bone and had refs that weren't candidates for stomach stapling surgery ?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Well, if Title IX really gets steamrolling, will that be allowed? If it's already dictating (at least to some degree) schedules and facilities, will there come a time when they begin to mandate that the girls must have the same officials too?

They don't dictate that in the college game. It's a matter of fact that men's officials work men's games only and women's officials work women's games only.

(I really don't want to hear from you if you work a full schedule on both sides. If you do you are the rare exception.)

[Adam]

Around here (as in a lot of areas), the boys game always follows the girls game during double headers. I'd have bet there would be a push to get this changed more so than bothering with which night the teams played.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Well, if Title IX really gets steamrolling, will that be allowed? If it's already dictating (at least to some degree) schedules and facilities, will there come a time when they begin to mandate that the girls must have the same officials too?

I think we are overreacting a little bit here. You cannot make people who are independent contractors make them work games they do not want to work. If you do that, there will be a backlash on some level from the officiating community. I feel confident that this will never happen.

Peace

[REFVA]

In VA, we have at least in my region

Mon: some games could be either boy/girls
Tues: FR/JV/VA, girls/boys either home or away
Weds: some not much
Thurs: Fr/JV girls or boys home or away
Fri: Vars double header
SAt: not every week but some Boys /girls Var double header