tricks to enforce the seatbelt

[Junker]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Luckily for you. Saved you having to give out a third warning.

My discrete tip is if you don't have the nads to give out the second "T", don't call the first. That'll save you all the worrying.

Nads is such a harsh term. Could we please say, "if you don't have the sack?"

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Junker

Nads is such a harsh term. Could we please say, "if you don't have the sack?"

My bad.

[JasonTX]

I say give her one warning and toss her. Normally I wouldn't be that harsh but after last nights JV game my skin got a bit thinner. I only work subvarsity games and that is by my own choice. I don't have any desire to work the "big" games due to the time commitments, so I stick with the lower levels. Well, we had the JV girls game and the Varsity head coach was down there ranting and raving and I am so pissed at myself for not giving her a T. I almost went up to the JV coach to tell her that she needs to get control over her assistant coach (varsity head coach). If I work for her again I won't hold any grudges but my fuse will definitely be shorter. I do have a question. If the Varsity coach gets ejected from the JV game, would she be allowed to coach the Varsity game that follows?

[deecee]

yes she will each team is different and therefore a penalty in one only carries over for that level.

who cares if she is the varsity HC -- as far as you are concerence she is an assistant in that game and should be treated accordingly.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by JasonTX

I say give her one warning and toss her. Normally I wouldn't be that harsh but after last nights JV game my skin got a bit thinner. I only work subvarsity games and that is by my own choice. I don't have any desire to work the "big" games due to the time commitments, so I stick with the lower levels. Well, we had the JV girls game and the Varsity head coach was down there ranting and raving and I am so pissed at myself for not giving her a T. I almost went up to the JV coach to tell her that she needs to get control over her assistant coach (varsity head coach). If I work for her again I won't hold any grudges but my fuse will definitely be shorter. I do have a question. If the Varsity coach gets ejected from the JV game, would she be allowed to coach the Varsity game that follows?

Depends on the state rules. Here in AK, if a kid gets ejected from a game, he must serve a one game suspension at the level he was tossed before he can participate at ANY level again. We had a situation a couple weeks ago where a kid who plays JV and Varsity got tossed from the JV game in the second quarter. When V coach found out he couldn't play in the V game that night, he came and got after the officials for tossing the kid. Earned a T for himself with that one, and got his JV Coach seatbelted.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Are you serious? You'd do that instead of warn once and "T"?

I don't know. I've never even thought to do it. But it seems to me to be a pretty good warning in itself, and the coach gets a bit of a penalty on top of it, instead of just a verbal slap on the wrist.

I don't want to throw a coach out for standing and coaching. I just don't. If this is a more effective tool at keeping the coach on the bench, and allows me to NOT toss the coach, then I like it. In my experience, the verbal warning does nothing. They sit down and then forget and stand up. So if I send a stronger warning without tossing, I'm all for it. Now, if they ignore that friendly warning, then they seal their own fate.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I don't want to throw a coach out for standing and coaching. I just don't.

Well, all I can say is Chuck Elias(bless his dear departed soul) would never dream of saying anything like that. The man was the very epitome of nads.....

If Chuck was alive today, he'd roll over in his grave if he read what you just posted....

Never make a call that you can't logically explain to an evaluator.....

[Ignats75]

DAMN YOU!Every time that picture gets posted, I get in trouble for laughing out loud. That is the absolute funniest picture I have ever seen on the internet.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If Chuck was alive today, he'd roll over in his grave if he read what you just posted.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by deecee

yes she will each team is different and therefore a penalty in one only carries over for that level.

who cares if she is the varsity HC -- as far as you are concerence she is an assistant in that game and should be treated accordingly.

Not in Oregon...straight from the State Handbook:

Q. When a coach or player is ejected, what period of time does the ejection cover?
A. Basketball - Remainder of that day.

Q. May a coach or participant who has been suspended at one level of competition (i.e. varsity) participate in a contest at another level during the period of suspension?
A. No.

Q. When a player or coach is ejected while acting as a spectator at a contest in the same sport in which the coach or player participates, but at which he or she is not serving as a player or a coach, does a period of suspension still apply?
A. Yes. The ejected player or coach is suspended from all participation for the same period of time as if he or she had been a participant in the contest at which the ejection occurred.

[BillyMac]

Let's all remember that once the coach is "seatbelted" he or she is still allowed to stand up in certain specific circumstances: during a charged time out, during intermissions, to spontaneously react to an outstanding play by a team member, to acknowledge a replaced player, to request a timeout, to confer with the table personnel for a correctable error situation, and to confer with the table personnel to prevent or rectify a timing, scoring, or alternating possession mistake.

[26 Year Gap]

T'd up a coach last night. Let her know very clearly that she had the seatbelt. Still, found her several times up and coaching and had to give her several warnings. Felt like it would be over the top to toss someone because they stood up, which means I need some advice on how to better enforce the rule without having to make that regretable decision to toss someone.

this is 2 man, so hard to be right on top of the coach all of the time.

I appreciate the responses. I agree I can T her and be within my rights. Just not something that game needed. Looking for more discrete tips if you have any. Luckily, she got the message after about the second warning. I then discovered that the assistant coach thought he would play coach. You will all be disappointed that I then just told him to sit down and passed on the T. He did not give me any more trouble, he got the message that I was way beyond pissed with his stunt.

Will it get down to one warning and then several imaginary warnings?

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Let's all remember that once the coach is "seatbelted" he or she is still allowed to stand up in certain specific circumstances: during a charged time out, during intermissions, to spontaneously react to an outstanding play by a team member, to acknowledge a replaced player, to request a timeout, to confer with the table personnel for a correctable error situation, and to confer with the table personnel to prevent or rectify a timing, scoring, or alternating possession mistake.

I don't see "Sarah, you're the 5" listed in those exceptions.

[bigdogrunnin]

Originally Posted by PIAA REF

The best way is if she stads while her team is in possession give her a time-out, That is the only reason she is to be standing (to request a timeout) If she tells you she didn't want one give her the option of the TO or the T for standing after losing the box. I'll bet she wants the TO. Usually if you do this once she will get that she can't stand.

I don't know that I would use that in a Varsity game, but I will definitely save it for later. That is sharp . . .