Duke/Clemson timing error

[nakemiin]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

First- I'm wounded to the quick, Sir. I have always been noted for my class, savoir faire and even, if I may say so myself, a slight touch of natural elan.

Second-- So....if you're not a basketball referee, exactly what are you qualifications when it comes to determining whether a bad call was made or not? Countless hours of watching games and listening to the announcers?

Third- Again, if you are not a basketball official, exactly what are your qualifications that will allow you to determine that a basketball official should be removed from his avocation/vocation? And yes, I certainly am kind of sensitive when ignorant fanboys advocate firing officials when they've never officiated a basketball game in their lives and also don't know or understand the rules, mechanics and philosophies used.

Fourth- You might not be a Dookie fanboy but there's really no difference when it comes to your genus. You're just another typical fanboy wandering through. You've never officiated a basketball game in your life. That don't matter though. Instead of asking if a bad call was made in the game, you tell us that a bad call was made. Typical fanboy crap iow.

Your savoir faire and elan are certainly displayed in your response -- or lack thereof. Self promotion does not make it so. Enough said on that.

While not an official referee I have not only watched countless games, played in games, and (more importantly) studied the official rules (including the changes from year to year). My qualifications -- probably none by your implied standards, other than a love of the game, a thorough understanding of the game, indepth understanding of the rules. Based on your definition no one who has not officiated in a specific sport has any right to question any on floor ruling. What nonsense. How many coaches have officiated games? Are you implying they have no right to ever question a call on that basis alone. Give me a break -- your logic collapses entirely.

Hmmm...regarding the removal of officials? Seems you are a bit sensitive on this...have you been removed? First, I never advocated or suggested that I held the authority to remove them. What I DID say was that if there is a pattern of poor performance, wrong calls (flagrant), then they should be removed. What part of this simple statement do you not understand? If someone make frequent mistakes why shouldn't the profession remove them? Based on your standards, no official would ever be removed. Other professions that require judgment -- police officials, doctors, judges, etc. -- have procedures for removal of poor performers.

Your final comments certainly belie your clam of "elan" and "savoir faire".
In the end "methinks he protesteth too much". Seems to me that you are defending even most egregious error by an official -- without providing any objectivity. But why am I surprised?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by nakemiin

While not an official referee I have not only watched countless games, played in games, and (more importantly) studied the official rules (including the changes from year to year). My qualifications -- probably none by your implied standards, other than a love of the game, a thorough understanding of the game, indepth understanding of the rules. Based on your definition no one who has not officiated in a specific sport has any right to question any on floor ruling. What nonsense.

What I DID say was that if there is a pattern of poor performance, wrong calls (flagrant), then they should be removed.

Well, how about this, fanboy....

You post where and when you're next soccer game is. I'll come to your game and watch you for a few minutes. Now, I don't know the first damn thing about soccer or the rules, but that ain't gonna make any nevermind to me. Nosiree, fanboy, it surashell ain't. I'll write a letter to your local newspaper and your officiating association demanding that you never be allowed to officiate another soccer game in your life. I'll tell them that I've literally seen dozens of soccer games on tv, and it's obvious to me as an extremely qualified expert that there is certainly a pattern of poor performance attached to your game-calling. Has your local soccer refereeing association got a website too? Please give the addy also so that I can make numerous posts there about your shoddy officiating.

Does that sound just about right to you?

[nakemiin]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Well, how about this, fanboy....

You post where and when you're next soccer game is. I'll come to your game and watch you for a few minutes. Now, I don't know the first damn thing about soccer or the rules, but that ain't gonna make any nevermind to me. Nosiree, fanboy, it surashell ain't. I'll write a letter to your local newspaper and your officiating association demanding that you never be allowed to officiate another soccer game in your life. I'll tell them that I've literally seen dozens of soccer games on tv, and it's obvious to me as an extremely qualified expert that there is certainly a pattern of poor performance attached to your game-calling. Has your local soccer refereeing association got a website too? Please give the addy also so that I can make numerous posts there about your shoddy officiating.

Does that sound just about right to you?

1. Glad to, when soccer season starts.

2. Once again you illustrate your immaturity, when you say you don't know anything about soccer but are willing to comment on the officiating.

3. And you demonstrate your vindictiveness when you talk about writting a letter to papers and the website. The bottom line is you STILL do not understand what I was saying in the beginning, and you seem more interested in fighting and whining. If you, as a referee, can't stand the criticism then get out of the game -- quit trying to blame the fans. (And by the way, it's "fans" -- not fanboy.)

In the end, trying to hold an adult discussion with you, where the facts and ideas are paramount as opposed to simply casting aspersions, is pointless. Reminds me of that old saying -- "never wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty but the pig loves it." So with that, I'll let you go on with your misperceptions.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by nakemiin

Once again you illustrate your immaturity, when you say you don't know anything about soccer but are willing to comment on the officiating.

And you demonstrate your vindictiveness when you talk about writting a letter to papers and the website.

You really don't get it, do you?

Whatinthehell do you think YOU are doing? You don't know a damn thing about basketball officiating-the rules, mechanics or philosophies- and you've never officiated a basketball game in your damn life...but YOU think that you're eminently qualified to judge top-level NCAA D1 basketball officials? Well, what's wrong with that picture, fanboy?

And you think that I'm being vindicitive, but YOU can't see anything wrong with YOU coming on this website and crapping all over basketball officials.

Give your head a shake, fanboy. Then screw off.

[nakemiin]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You really don't get it, do you?

Whatinthehell do you think YOU are doing? You don't know a damn thing about basketball officiating-the rules, mechanics or philosophies- and you've never officiated a basketball game in your damn life...but YOU think that you're eminently qualified to judge top-level NCAA D1 basketball officials? Well, what's wrong with that picture, fanboy?

And you think that I'm being vindicitive, but YOU can't see anything wrong with YOU coming on this website and crapping all over basketball officials.

Give your head a shake, fanboy. Then screw off.

1. Upon what do you base your assertion --- you don't know anything about the depth of my knowledge about the rule, mechanics or philosophies.

2. As I have attempted to explain before, but you are too dense to appreciate, is that you don't have to BE an official to know the rules and be able to see when a call is in error. Based on your lame assertions, if you have never umpired a tennis match you could never even comment on whether the ball lands outside the court, or hits the net on a serve. Can't you see how patently ridiculous you position is? (No, I suppose not -- which is precisely the problem.)

3. I never said all officials are bad -- go back and read my posts. The comment I made that sticks in your craw is the assertion that if an official has a pattern (over games or seasons) of making poor calls then he or she should be removed. Why is that so extreme, and so difficult for you to appreciate?

You language and tone indicate you are, if not uneducated, at least crude and rude. I'm beginning to doubt if you are even an official -- perhaps a 16 or 17 year old masquerading as one.

[rulesmaven]

Originally Posted by nakemiin

3. I never said all officials are bad -- go back and read my posts. The comment I made that sticks in your craw is the assertion that if an official has a pattern (over games or seasons) of making poor calls then he or she should be removed. Why is that so extreme, and so difficult for you to appreciate?

Holy backtracking. So after reading you go on and on, your point is that bad officials should not get more work?

If so, you can probably stop posting. Your covered. The officials at the level you've been discussing are scrutinized to a level that would cause most of us to, I imagine, wither severely if we were exposed to it in our day jobs.

I think where people are bristling, and the place where you're coming off as extremely unself-aware, is your implication that you're in position to be the judge. When you try to back it up by noting that a ref in a game you watched on tv missed a GT call, you just embarrass yourself.

[nakemiin]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You really don't get it, do you?

Whatinthehell do you think YOU are doing? You don't know a damn thing about basketball officiating-the rules, mechanics or philosophies- and you've never officiated a basketball game in your damn life...but YOU think that you're eminently qualified to judge top-level NCAA D1 basketball officials? Well, what's wrong with that picture, fanboy?

And you think that I'm being vindicitive, but YOU can't see anything wrong with YOU coming on this website and crapping all over basketball officials.

Give your head a shake, fanboy. Then screw off.

I hope you are watching the OSU and MSU game -- for there again is an example of an officiating error. On an MSU shot under the basket, Oden batted it down (pulled it down) -- and it was ruled by the ref that it hadn't gone above the rim so couldn't have gone in. But the video reply showed CLEARLY that it was above the rim and that goaltending should have been called. By your definition, no one in the entire court could possibly criticize that call -- because they are not officials. Nonsense -- go look at the video of the game - then recant your nonsense.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by nakemiin

I hope you are watching the OSU and MSU game -- for there again is an example of an officiating error. On an MSU shot under the basket, Oden batted it down (pulled it down) -- and it was ruled by the ref that it hadn't gone above the rim so couldn't have gone in. But the video reply showed CLEARLY that it was above the rim and that goaltending should have been called. By your definition, no one in the entire court could possibly criticize that call -- because they are not officials. Nonsense -- go look at the video of the game - then recant your nonsense.

The ball being above the rim does not equate to goaltending.

And so what if the official missed one goal-tending call, that means that official is showing a pattern of ineptitude?

Goaltending in almost all cases is a judgement call. It's really easy to sit at home with TIVO and ref a perfect game.

How about fire all those soccer officials who continually get suckered by the flopping that soccer players do?

[Jurassic Referee]

[PWL]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Well, how about this, I'll come to your game and watch.

Ah, soccer. Ninety minutes of nonstop action. First team to one wins