Hard Foul

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I would've (and have in the past) gone to my partner and asked him/her point-blank, "Do you have an intentional?"

You mean as the calling official?

Or do you mean as the non-calling official?

[dknick78]

Calling official...

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by dknick78

Calling official...

My question was for scrappy but I have a question about your play. You mean coach B was upset that you spoke with his player?

If so coach B is a jerk. Don't let the coaches tell you who you can and cannot talk with, especially in this sitch.

[Junker]

I'd say it's a possible intentional. Without being there and seeing the contact it is extremely difficult to judge. Nice job of separating the players. On hard fouls like that you pretty much have a no win situation. One coach is going to want the intentional, the other will go nuts if you call it intentional. Unlike a previous post though, unless it's a double whistle, do not go ask your partner what they had. If you made the call, it must have been in your area and you had the best look at it. Going to your partner after you called a foul will make you appear unsure of yourself and lead to more problems later in the game. Coaches will want to know how you can call a foul and then go ask your partner what YOU should have called.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

You mean as the calling official?

Or do you mean as the non-calling official?

I think either is ok. But I was talking about the calling official asking for a second opinion. I had this just this season, actually. I was the Lead in transition. Play came straight down the lane and the shooter hit the ground hard. I thought the defender was playing the ball and did NOT bring the shooter to the ground. But as I'm standing there making sure that nothing extra happens after the play, the shooter's team is very vocal about an intentional. So before I went to the table I asked my partner, "Did you have an intentional on that?" He said, "I didn't have anything". (Which, at the time, I thought he meant that he didn't have a foul!! Later, I asked him and he clarified that it was definitely a foul, but he wouldn't have called it intentional.) So I went with a normal 2-shot foul. When the shooter's coach was still upset about it, I said to him "I checked with my partner and he had the same thing, Coach."

Do you think that's a no-no?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I think either is ok. But I was talking about the calling official asking for a second opinion. I had this just this season, actually. I was the Lead in transition. Play came straight down the lane and the shooter hit the ground hard. I thought the defender was playing the ball and did NOT bring the shooter to the ground. But as I'm standing there making sure that nothing extra happens after the play, the shooter's team is very vocal about an intentional. So before I went to the table I asked my partner, "Did you have an intentional on that?" He said, "I didn't have anything". (Which, at the time, I thought he meant that he didn't have a foul!! Later, I asked him and he clarified that it was definitely a foul, but he wouldn't have called it intentional.) So I went with a normal 2-shot foul. When the shooter's coach was still upset about it, I said to him "I checked with my partner and he had the same thing, Coach."

Do you think that's a no-no?

Yeah, I don't like that.

I would prefer in your play for the non-calling official to come in with arms crossed - even if he doesn't have a whistle - if he thinks it's worth it. I have no problem going for help, but this is one case where I wouldn't, looks too indecisive. But that's just me.