Are Coaches Crazy?

[Terrapins Fan]

Girls JV last night....Home team has 7 players, visitors 12. Home team looks bad in warm ups. Visitors, look good, they are tall & athletic. Game starts. Home team takes the lead, 2, 4, 5...1st quarter 5 points. Visitors can handle the press, but the press is putting the home team in fould trouble. Half time Visitors down 10. Visitor coach is beginning to complain and he is very loud. It's a small gym. 3rd quarter starts with home team on a 12- 2 run. Visiting coach removes all his starters and puts in 5 subs, most of which were much shorter than the home team, I am talking 5' , 5'2" very short. Home team streches the lead to 30 and no sign of the starters coming back. We're in the 4th quarter not and the coach is complaining about EVERYTHING. He wants a "T", he is begging me for a "T" on one play, he asks " how was that not a welk?" so, I go to him and explain that the player can lift the piviot foot without walking. He is screaming at me over and over....I knew what he wanted and I wasn't giving it to him. No matter what was going on, he was screaming and complaining. There wasn't a person in the building that could not hear him. Final score they lost by 32 points.

Would you have given him the "T"?

In that state, if you are tossed ( and that's what should have been done) they loose 3 games pay and can't coach the next 2 games. That had nothing to do with my decision not to "T" him. In some of the comments he made to me, he refered to the high school I attended and that was why I sucked as a ref and several other comments. My partner agreed, he wanted it and not giving it to him was better than giving it to him.

[Adam]

Wow, he screamed at you, got personal, continued doing so? And you think it was better not to T him?
Wow!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

he asks " how was that not a welk?"

You say "because it looked nothing like this", then you bust this out your pocket:



a ONE, a TWO

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You say "because it looked nothing like this", then you bust this out your pocket:



a ONE, a TWO

Are you serious?

This is a joke, right?

Seriously Turttle Fan, this should've never gotten to Point #2. You essentially used the excuse "I wasn't gonna give him what he wanted" as a reason to not have the balls to call the T. It's obvious he was frustrated, and you let him turn the entire game into an unpleasant experience for your partner, all the players, other coaches, and fans.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You say "because it looked nothing like this", then you bust this out your pocket:



a ONE, a TWO

The presence of a welk alone is enough for a T. Seriously, there's some good jazz out there but it has never been found coming from a welk!

[Back In The Saddle]

I'm curious...what is the rules or philosophical basis for not giving the coach a T simply because he wants it? You've said you didn't give it to him because he wanted it, but I'm interested in knowing why.

[grunewar]

HEY! My wife is a Welk and that's my father-in-laws late second cousin. I think. Lay off the Welk's!!!!! They're really a fun bunch!!

[Terrapins Fan]

I'm curious...what is the rules or philosophical basis for not giving the coach a T simply because he wants it? You've said you didn't give it to him because he wanted it, but I'm interested in knowing why.

Because he was trying to get to me. He wanted the "T"

AND, if I "T" him up, I have to write a report as to WHY I "T"ed him up. If he were winning, he would have gotten the "T", If it were a close game, he would have gotten it. but down 30, what's it going to do?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

Because he was trying to get to me. He wanted the "T"

AND, if I "T" him up, I have to write a report as to WHY I "T"ed him up. If he were winning, he would have gotten the "T", If it were a close game, he would have gotten it. but down 30, what's it going to do?

It's going to teach his JV girls team that even the coach can't get away with poor sportsmanship, no matter what the game situation is.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

AND, if I "T" him up, I have to write a report as to WHY I "T"ed him up. If he were winning, he would have gotten the "T", If it were a close game, he would have gotten it. but down 30, what's it going to do?

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

Because he was trying to get to me. He wanted the "T"

AND, if I "T" him up, I have to write a report as to WHY I "T"ed him up. If he were winning, he would have gotten the "T", If it were a close game, he would have gotten it. but down 30, what's it going to do?

The truth comes out. Too damn lazy to do the paperwork afterward. Just get one of the many canned reports your association has on file from past incidents, modify it a little, and slap a stamp on it. How hard can that be? By letting this go on and on the whole game, you made a travesty of the whole situation.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

Because he was trying to get to me. He wanted the "T"

He should get the T because he was trying to get to you.

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

If he were winning, he would have gotten the "T", If it were a close game, he would have gotten it. but down 30, what's it going to do?

It'll do what my T did last night in the JV boys game when the coach was down by 30. It'll get him to quit whining and making excuses for his kids.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

Because he was trying to get to me. He wanted the "T"

AND, if I "T" him up, I have to write a report as to WHY I "T"ed him up. If he were winning, he would have gotten the "T", If it were a close game, he would have gotten it. but down 30, what's it going to do?

Let me see if I understand this, you let him carry on, being a distraction and disruption, flaunting the rules, acheiving unrivaled levels of unpenalized unsportsmanship all because...what? Because you decided to dig your heels in and not give him what he wanted? My children play that same stupid game too. I'm pretty sure they'll outgrow it.

Who the hell cares whether or not he wants it, and if he does, why. That is entirely not our concern. We are there to enforce the rules, and that includes penalizing poor sportsmanship when it happens. To not take care of business is to do a disservice to the game, to the players, to the other coach, to your partners, to Grandma Millie who came to watch little Sally play and has to endure the debacle you're allowing, to the crews that follow you and will have to work harder to clean up your mess.

Bottom line, he f'ed up your game, and you helped him do it.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

......... Seriously, there's some good jazz out there but it has never been found coming from a welk!

Yep.....try Libby's in downtown Milwaukie on Tuesdays........

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

Yep.....try Libby's in downtown Milwaukie on Tuesdays........

Is that the one over on Van Buren? Any good?

Oh, and Terp--did you try giving him the dreaded STOP SIGN?