Ticky Tack ... or not??

jmaellis · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 04:55pm

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Originally Posted by RookieDude

4TH Grade?

Here's what I think:

Listen to your "Senior" official.

Since you apparently missed it in the OP, the senior official didn't have a problem with the call, he said some officials might consider it ticky tack. Hence, I'm asking experienced (or presumably experienced) officials what they think.

CaliOne · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 04:59pm

does that mean there would be a "ticky tack" travel call, or a "ticky tack" lane violation? Just have to ask!!!

deecee · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 05:06pm

yes to a ticky tack lane violation -- you know the one where the ball is 30 feet away and offensive player has been in the key about 3 or 4 seconds and is making his way out and ball is still just being passes around 30-40 feet away and you hear 3seconds -- to me -- that is ticky tack -- or the 3second violation where you ask the guy to leave and he is making his way out and you call it

CaliOne · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 05:09pm

I meant, free throw lane violation... my bad. but i get your point. a rocky's point.

Old School · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 05:35pm

It doesn't matter if it's ticky tack or not. You made the call, it was the correct call, leave it at that, sleep well tonight. It would be a problem worth investigating if it was the wrong call. As you continue to referee, you will begin to see what calls you can let go and what calls you need to make. People, fans, coaches, and yes officials will question every call you make that they don't like, no matter how long you officiate, so my point is get use to it. Just make sure you get the right call and move on.

Now, I have a question for you. Would you make that same call again?

Oh, and last, I would not let anyone give me any grief over a correct call. I got one for you. I called a 10 second F/T shooter violation for taking too long to shoot, late in a tournament game. My partner didn't like the call, said it was ticky tack. I told him "thems the breaks!" On to the next game.

deecee · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 05:40pm

my 10 second free throw violation is a LOOONG 10 seconds (maybe realistically 12-13) but thats just because i have a bit of a slower count -- and usually the first time this happens in a game -- which is like once every 3 years i will remind the kid to speed it up -- if he fails to he will get whistled.

this alludes to a different thread but after this game i wouldnt even have thought about it and if my partner brings it up i would only amuse him and just nod and say yes.

rockyroad · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 05:06pm

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Originally Posted by CaliOne

does that mean there would be a "ticky tack" travel call, or a "ticky tack" lane violation? Just have to ask!!!

Sure...in a 4th grade game there definitely could be a ticky-tack travel or lane violation call...

example: little 4th grade Johnny receives the in-bounds pass under opponents basket - the closest defender is 65 feet away. Little Johnny takes an extra step as he starts his dribble...calling that could be considered ticky-tack.

Rich · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 05:11pm

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Originally Posted by CaliOne

does that mean there would be a "ticky tack" travel call, or a "ticky tack" lane violation? Just have to ask!!!

How about someone with a toe in the lane up by the free throw line getting called for a 3-second violation? THAT would be ticky-tack.

CaliOne · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 05:21pm

It would only take once..That kid would never cross his big toe over that line again.

OK, here's a question: how many officials do you know who (in high school) will administer a T if the book isn't done at the 10 minute mark? Is that ticky tack or what? I've never given a T for that, but think that if I did, it would only take once for each team, then they'd all have em done and ready on time.

deecee · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 05:36pm

i have worked with guys that have -- in a varsity game by 10 minutes I EXPECT the books to be ready if for some reason they are not there better be a darn great reason. and i always double check with the visitors book if there are any discrepencies in the home book for the visitors because it could have been input error and i dont want to penalize before the game starts for that type of mistake.

Jurassic Referee · #11 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 06:03pm

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Originally Posted by deecee

i have worked with guys that have -- in a varsity game by 10 minutes I EXPECT the books to be ready if for some reason they are not there better be a darn great reason.

Is the fact that there is NO rule requiring the books to be ready by the 10-minute mark a darn good reason?

deecee · #12 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 06:15pm

its more a personal thing to get it ready because i dont want it coming down to the wire.

usually starters are scribbled on a seperate piece of paper that i go by that they use for announcements.

Jurassic Referee · #13 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 06:01pm

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Originally Posted by CaliOne

OK, here's a question: how many officials do you know who (in high school) will administer a T if the book isn't done at the 10 minute mark? Is that ticky tack or what? I've never given a T for that, but think that if I did, it would only take once for each team, then they'd all have em done and ready on time.

I would certainly hope that NO official ever would call a "T" if the book isn't done at the 10-minute mark. There's no rules backing to do so. The only requirement by rule is that the rosters and 5 starters must be given to the scorer by the 10-minute mark. They DON'T have to be entered into the scorebook by that time.

Methinks that you don't know the rule. Methinks you should read NFHS rule 10-1-1. Methinks that it might be a good idea to actually learn the rule before you think about calling a "T" for it.

SamIAm · #14 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 05:27pm

A "boys 4th grade rec. senior official" sounds oxymoronic. I would not be very concerned. At the same, time keep your mind open to perceiving how the other officials call the game. Pick up a little here and there and hopefully you won't be a senior official calling boys 4th grade games, (unless that is your ambition or calling).

LarryS · #15 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 05:35pm

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Originally Posted by SamIAm

A "boys 4th grade rec. senior official" sounds oxymoronic. I would not be very concerned. At the same, time keep your mind open to perceiving how the other officials call the game. Pick up a little here and there and hopefully you won't be a senior official calling boys 4th grade games, (unless that is your ambition or calling).

From personal experience...not if you are working your way back from injuries suffered in something like a serious car accident.

In that case...just getting on the floor is theraputic.