Ticky Tack ... or not?? - Page 2

deecee · #16 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 05:36pm

i have worked with guys that have -- in a varsity game by 10 minutes I EXPECT the books to be ready if for some reason they are not there better be a darn great reason. and i always double check with the visitors book if there are any discrepencies in the home book for the visitors because it could have been input error and i dont want to penalize before the game starts for that type of mistake.

deecee · #17 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 05:40pm

my 10 second free throw violation is a LOOONG 10 seconds (maybe realistically 12-13) but thats just because i have a bit of a slower count -- and usually the first time this happens in a game -- which is like once every 3 years i will remind the kid to speed it up -- if he fails to he will get whistled.

this alludes to a different thread but after this game i wouldnt even have thought about it and if my partner brings it up i would only amuse him and just nod and say yes.

Jurassic Referee · #18 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 06:01pm

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Originally Posted by CaliOne

OK, here's a question: how many officials do you know who (in high school) will administer a T if the book isn't done at the 10 minute mark? Is that ticky tack or what? I've never given a T for that, but think that if I did, it would only take once for each team, then they'd all have em done and ready on time.

I would certainly hope that NO official ever would call a "T" if the book isn't done at the 10-minute mark. There's no rules backing to do so. The only requirement by rule is that the rosters and 5 starters must be given to the scorer by the 10-minute mark. They DON'T have to be entered into the scorebook by that time.

Methinks that you don't know the rule. Methinks you should read NFHS rule 10-1-1. Methinks that it might be a good idea to actually learn the rule before you think about calling a "T" for it.

Jurassic Referee · #19 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 06:03pm

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Originally Posted by deecee

i have worked with guys that have -- in a varsity game by 10 minutes I EXPECT the books to be ready if for some reason they are not there better be a darn great reason.

Is the fact that there is NO rule requiring the books to be ready by the 10-minute mark a darn good reason?

deecee · #20 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 06:15pm

its more a personal thing to get it ready because i dont want it coming down to the wire.

usually starters are scribbled on a seperate piece of paper that i go by that they use for announcements.

Jurassic Referee · #21 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 06:26pm

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Originally Posted by deecee

its more a personal thing to get it ready because i dont want it coming down to the wire.

Why?

That's the scorer's job. Let 'em do it. Once the teams hand in their rosters and designated starters, it's no longer a concern of the officials. If the scorer doesn't get the book ready by game time, all we can do is wait until it is ready anyway. There's no penalty....unless you want to find a new scorer.

deecee · #22 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 06:30pm

i more and make sure that they at least have the same number of names or more than on the bench -- i believe in an ounce of prevention

Camron Rust · #23 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 19, 2007, 06:47pm

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Originally Posted by SamIAm

A "boys 4th grade rec. senior official" sounds oxymoronic. I would not be very concerned. At the same, time keep your mind open to perceiving how the other officials call the game. Pick up a little here and there and hopefully you won't be a senior official calling boys 4th grade games, (unless that is your ambition or calling).

What??? Becoming a good officials means you'll never work a kids game? I know some great officials that work ANY level of game, schedule permitting. They just love to be on the court.

There's no reason to expect that a person working a 4th grade game can't be a top notch official.

Adam · #24 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 20, 2007, 12:22am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust

What??? Becoming a good officials means you'll never work a kids game? I know some great officials that work ANY level of game, schedule permitting. They just love to be on the court.

There's no reason to expect that a person working a 4th grade game can't be a top notch official.

Agreed, I also know of "senior officials" who are at these games for other reasons than officiating. Maybe they happen to be running the league, maybe they happen to be scheduling officials, maybe they happen to be scouting officials at this level. Let's not jump to any conclusions based on our own limited experiences.

jmaellis · #25 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 20, 2007, 12:44am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Agreed, I also know of "senior officials" who are at these games for other reasons than officiating. Maybe they happen to be running the league, maybe they happen to be scheduling officials, maybe they happen to be scouting officials at this level. Let's not jump to any conclusions based on our own limited experiences.

I probably should have explained. Us newbies are paired with senior officials (at least a few years of experience and usually they are also the area high school and JC officials).