Lost a sneaker

[rfp]

Boys varsity game last night. A1 drives to the basket, makes layup, sneaker comes off. As B1 is taking the ball out, official blows whistle to allow A1 to retrieve and replace his sneaker, eliminating potential advantage for B. Any rule to support stopping the game to allow A1 to replace his shoe?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by rfp

Boys varsity game last night. A1 drives to the basket, makes layup, sneaker comes off. As B1 is taking the ball out, official blows whistle to allow A1 to retrieve and replace his sneaker, eliminating potential advantage for B. Any rule to support stopping the game to allow A1 to replace his shoe?

No. Unless, of course, the smell posed a hazard to other participants.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by rfp

Boys varsity game last night. A1 drives to the basket, makes layup, sneaker comes off. As B1 is taking the ball out, official blows whistle to allow A1 to retrieve and replace his sneaker, eliminating potential advantage for B. Any rule to support stopping the game to allow A1 to replace his shoe?

Is there any common sense and fair play reason why you WOULDN'T stop the game?

An official can stop the game for any situation he deems worthy under 8-2d.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Is there any common sense and fair play reason why you WOULDN'T stop the game?

An official can stop the game for any situation he deems worthy under 8-2d.

Rich,
Maybe there is no shoe rule for the purpose of eliminating the intentionally lost shoe.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by rfp

Any rule to support stopping the game to allow A1 to replace his shoe?

If that's the sole reason, I probably wouldn't stop the game.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Is there any common sense and fair play reason why you WOULDN'T stop the game?

An official can stop the game for any situation he deems worthy under 8-2d.

As far as common sense - if the play is going in a direction where the shoeless player is out of the way and his/her team does not have the ball, why stop the play?

As far as fair play - is it fair to team B to stop what could be a advantageous possession because little Johnny can't keep his shoe on?

Rich, this is one area that I'm not so sure about. I have had situations where team B took the ball down the court and A1 is injured (not badly) in team A's frontcourt. I have stayed with the player until B's possession was over or the ball was dead. Additionally, would this be treated differently if a player's shoe was untied. Can you give me a rule or a caseplay besides something that says I can stop the game for whatever I want? I'm not saying this from a position where I know I'm right; it is more like I'm saying this from a position of an official who has been on the west coast, east coast and the south. All three places handle things like this differently.

[CoachP]

If B2 then trips over the shoe, is it a foul on A1 then??

If the shoe fits, put it back on.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by CoachP

If B2 then trips over the shoe, is it a foul on A1 then??

If the shoe fits, put it back on.

For the record, if the player and/or shoe are directly or indirectly involved in the play I would stop the clock and allow the player to put the shoe back on.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tomegun

For the record, if the player and/or shoe are directly or indirectly involved in the play I would stop the clock and allow the player to put the shoe back on.

The ball is at B's disposal after a made layup by A. If we're talking transition or a fast break, no, I wouldn't stop play. But after a made basket, I'd allow A to call a timeout, so why not stop the clock and replace the shoe?

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

The ball is at B's disposal after a made layup by A. If we're talking transition or a fast break, no, I wouldn't stop play. But after a made basket, I'd allow A to call a timeout, so why not stop the clock and replace the shoe?

Good enough reasoning for me.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

The ball is at B's disposal after a made layup by A. If we're talking transition or a fast break, no, I wouldn't stop play. But after a made basket, I'd allow A to call a timeout, so why not stop the clock and replace the shoe?

Time out, not charged to Team A, allows:

• Subs to enter for tired players;
• Team A to set up press;
• Out of breath players to get a blow;
• Fallen player to get up and get back.

...All for free.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by mick

Time out, not charged to Team A, allows:

• Subs to enter for tired players;
• Team A to set up press;
• Out of breath players to get a blow;
• Fallen player to get up and get back.

...All for free.

So what?

Shoes don't come off often. I just don't think it's in the spirit of the game to expect A to play with 4 players on an entire possession that hasn't even started yet. And I think it might be dangerous for B to play without a shoe, which is what would happen if I let play continue.

If A1 had twisted an ankle, I'd stop the game there. 8-2d handles situations other than injury.

Subs can enter for either team and all out of breath players (on both teams) can get a breather, so those aren't really points that concern me too much.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

So what?

Shoes don't come off often. I just don't think it's in the spirit of the game to expect A to play with 4 players on an entire possession that hasn't even started yet. And I think it might be dangerous for B to play without a shoe, which is what would happen if I let play continue.

If A1 had twisted an ankle, I'd stop the game there. 8-2d handles situations other than injury.

Subs can enter for either team and all out of breath players (on both teams) can get a breather, so those aren't really points that concern me too much.

That's why there's no rule, Rich.
You can have your way with it.

[Zoochy]

How does a shoe come off during play? It's hard as hell for me to remove my untied (low cut) sneaker. I have seen hi-top sneakers come flying of players feet. During dead ball situations I have asked players to lace up their sneakers and all they do is tuck the laces into the sneaker.
So, do I stop play for a player to lace up or replace a sneaker during a live ball NO! Unless the footware become an obsticle.
Missouri vs. Kansas. Late in the game, Kansas player drives to the basket. Players from both teams go down on the missed shot. Kansas player comes up with a sneaker remover from his foot. He picks it up and tosses it to the sideline and runs down the court to play defense. Play does not stop until a violation or foul is commited.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by mick

That's why there's no rule, Rich.
You can have your way with it.

Oh, I know. And I know that I could get some yapping out of team B's coach, but I'd simply say "I'd do the same for you" and walk away.

I'm feeling fiesty this morning, probably cause I have the night off after two real 2-person runners the last two nights.

And it's my daughter's second birthday, too.