Lost a sneaker

[rfp]

Boys varsity game last night. A1 drives to the basket, makes layup, sneaker comes off. As B1 is taking the ball out, official blows whistle to allow A1 to retrieve and replace his sneaker, eliminating potential advantage for B. Any rule to support stopping the game to allow A1 to replace his shoe?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by rfp

Boys varsity game last night. A1 drives to the basket, makes layup, sneaker comes off. As B1 is taking the ball out, official blows whistle to allow A1 to retrieve and replace his sneaker, eliminating potential advantage for B. Any rule to support stopping the game to allow A1 to replace his shoe?

No. Unless, of course, the smell posed a hazard to other participants.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by rfp

Boys varsity game last night. A1 drives to the basket, makes layup, sneaker comes off. As B1 is taking the ball out, official blows whistle to allow A1 to retrieve and replace his sneaker, eliminating potential advantage for B. Any rule to support stopping the game to allow A1 to replace his shoe?

Is there any common sense and fair play reason why you WOULDN'T stop the game?

An official can stop the game for any situation he deems worthy under 8-2d.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Is there any common sense and fair play reason why you WOULDN'T stop the game?

An official can stop the game for any situation he deems worthy under 8-2d.

Rich,
Maybe there is no shoe rule for the purpose of eliminating the intentionally lost shoe.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Is there any common sense and fair play reason why you WOULDN'T stop the game?

An official can stop the game for any situation he deems worthy under 8-2d.

As far as common sense - if the play is going in a direction where the shoeless player is out of the way and his/her team does not have the ball, why stop the play?

As far as fair play - is it fair to team B to stop what could be a advantageous possession because little Johnny can't keep his shoe on?

Rich, this is one area that I'm not so sure about. I have had situations where team B took the ball down the court and A1 is injured (not badly) in team A's frontcourt. I have stayed with the player until B's possession was over or the ball was dead. Additionally, would this be treated differently if a player's shoe was untied. Can you give me a rule or a caseplay besides something that says I can stop the game for whatever I want? I'm not saying this from a position where I know I'm right; it is more like I'm saying this from a position of an official who has been on the west coast, east coast and the south. All three places handle things like this differently.

[CoachP]

If B2 then trips over the shoe, is it a foul on A1 then??

If the shoe fits, put it back on.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by CoachP

If B2 then trips over the shoe, is it a foul on A1 then??

If the shoe fits, put it back on.

For the record, if the player and/or shoe are directly or indirectly involved in the play I would stop the clock and allow the player to put the shoe back on.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tomegun

For the record, if the player and/or shoe are directly or indirectly involved in the play I would stop the clock and allow the player to put the shoe back on.

The ball is at B's disposal after a made layup by A. If we're talking transition or a fast break, no, I wouldn't stop play. But after a made basket, I'd allow A to call a timeout, so why not stop the clock and replace the shoe?

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Is there any common sense and fair play reason why you WOULDN'T stop the game?

An official can stop the game for any situation he deems worthy under 8-2d.

A very similar situation occurred in G JV game last night. A1 drives for a layup and lost her shoe. She makes the basket and ref blows the whistle to allow her to get her shoe back on. Team "A" had been aggressively pressing the whole game and I had overheard the "B" coach tell his team to get the ball in bounds as quick as possible. Therefore "A" was given an advantage in this situation because they were able to set up the press once again. To top it all off the girl who lost her shoe never even tightened it up , she just pulled it back on her foot and away they went. That is one time I would not stop play.

[JRutledge]

This is funny that you bring this up. This exact situation took place in the Mizzou-Kansas game on Monday night. Kansas' Sharron Collins (freshman from Chicago) went to the basket hard and made a basket. He took on two defenders and all 3 hit the floor and he lost his shoe. Mizzou got the ball and started going the other way immediately after the basket. Sharron picked up his shoe, tried to get the attention of the officials and they ignored him, so he threw the shoe towards his bench and started running up the court. I do not remember when the clock was stopped, but I do not think the crew stopped the game because of this shoe being lost. I had no problem with what the crew did or how they handled this situation. I would have likely done the same thing.

Now for me once the player's team gets the ball, I would then likely stop the clock and allow the player to put the shoe back on. If it takes away their fast break, then who cares at that point. As long as I feel the shoe came off accidentally and not because it was taken off to get some kind of advantage, this is what I would do.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is funny that you bring this up. This exact situation took place in the Mizzou-Kansas game on Monday night. Kansas' Sharron Collins (freshman from Chicago) went to the basket hard and made a basket. He took on two defenders and all 3 hit the floor and he lost his shoe. Mizzou got the ball and started going the other way immediately after the basket. Sharron picked up his shoe, tried to get the attention of the officials and they ignored him, so he threw the shoe towards his bench and started running up the court. I do not remember when the clock was stopped, but I do not think the crew stopped the game because of this shoe being lost. I had no problem with what the crew did or how they handled this situation. I would have likely done the same thing.

Now for me once the player's team gets the ball, I would then likely stop the clock and allow the player to put the shoe back on. If it takes away their fast break, then who cares at that point. As long as I feel the shoe came off accidentally and not because it was taken off to get some kind of advantage, this is what I would do.

Peace

I would not stop it here, either. But I didn't sense in the OP aggressive play (from either team) after the official noticed the shoe coming off.

Again proving that what gets posted on the Internet isn't black-and-white.

[bronco]

Like most of you, I'm smart enough to tie my shoes so they won't just fall off. Somebody mentioned seeing a player just push the laces down into the shoe instead of tying them, and I've seen that too. If a player isn't smart enough to realize that this isn't the smartest idea, why should he be bailed out by a ref stopping the game because he was burned by trying to look cool? The exception I can think of is if the shoe is in the middle of play, where somebody might step on it and roll their ankle, but that doesn't sound like the orignal post, or the college situation that was brought up.

[mick]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Now for me once the player's team gets the ball, I would then likely stop the clock and allow the player to put the shoe back on. If it takes away their fast break, then who cares at that point. As long as I feel the shoe came off accidentally and not because it was taken off to get some kind of advantage, this is what I would do.

That could work as long as the offensive coach doesn't yell, "How can you do that ?" ...As if that matters.

I'm thinking if the missing-shoe team has the ball, then they can slow it down for the re-tie, while I apathetically wallow in the realm of "who cares".

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Is there any common sense and fair play reason why you WOULDN'T stop the game?

No Rich, there is no more common sense. I'll post it again:

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[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by rfp

Any rule to support stopping the game to allow A1 to replace his shoe?

If that's the sole reason, I probably wouldn't stop the game.