Lost a sneaker

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by PYRef

This again is another situation that could be handled differently and still be acceptable either way.
Based on the scenario in the OP, for anything below a JV or V game (because that's all I've done), I would most likely stop the game and allow them to put it back on.
For these lower level games, I agree with Rich. Common sense and fair play is what it's about.
For higher levels, it really all depends on the game at the time.

I think the application of this should have nothing to do with the level. Lower levels need to know what is going to happen when they work the varsity level ball. This is not a situation in my opinion that warrants completely different applications because of the level you are working.

Peace

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think the application of this should have nothing to do with the level. Lower levels need to know what is going to happen when they work the varsity level ball. This is not a situation in my opinion that warrants completely different applications because of the level you are working.

Peace

Sure it does. Tell me you would call a 4th grade girls game exactly the same as a varsity? Making some 10 year old slip on her socks and potentially get hurt doesn't do anything for her and what she should expect further up.

I'm not talking about all the rules, just in this sitch.

Not all of these kids are going to the NCAA. Common sense rules.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by PYRef

Sure it does. Tell me you would call a 4th grade girls game exactly the same as a varsity? Making some 10 year old slip on her socks and potentially get hurt doesn't do anything for her and what she should expect further up.

I will do the same at all levels as it relates to this issue. Now I do not normally work 4th grade girls games so I cannot tell you what those games are like as the norm for me.

Originally Posted by PYRef

I'm not talking about all the rules, just in this sitch.

Not all of these kids are going to the NCAA. Common sense rules.

Fourth graders know how to tie their shoes. As a matter of fact many shoes are not even held together based on a shoe laces. You may say it is common sense, but I would disagree. If a kid cannot tie their shoe laces then they probably do not need to be playing.

Peace

The shoe doesn't have to be untied to come off either. I agree I'm not going to baby some kid because he can't tie his laces or his mommy didn't pull the velcro tight.
But if it's a low level game and doesn't significantly disrupt the flow, (ie: in this case where it was after a made basket), I'm letting the kid get the shoe on.
Fast break or in the middle of a play... we're waiting for a dead ball.

[tomegun]

One thing nobody has mentioned is the fact that this happens way too much. When I was a kid, my main goal was to play - in a game, outside, on the playground, etc. I didn't have time for a shoestring or my shoe coming off; I was focused on playing as much as possible.
I think it is so idiotic that being/looking cool with shoes untied, velcro straps (on shoes) unfastened, shirts out and the like is so important. I know we are all officials and look at this the same, but let me take a minute to scream.

IT DOESN'T HELP YOU ANY SO STOP DOING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by PYRef

The shoe doesn't have to be untied to come off either. I agree I'm not going to baby some kid because he can't tie his laces or his mommy didn't pull the velcro tight.
But if it's a low level game and doesn't significantly disrupt the flow, (ie: in this case where it was after a made basket), I'm letting the kid get the shoe on.
Fast break or in the middle of a play... we're waiting for a dead ball.

I realize all of this and if you want to stop the game that is your right. I am not going to stop the game if I have anything to say about it unless other factors are at play as I and other stated. This is why we get paid the big bucks.

Peace

[iref4him]

Originally Posted by PYRef

Sure it does. Tell me you would call a 4th grade girls game exactly the same as a varsity? Making some 10 year old slip on her socks and potentially get hurt doesn't do anything for her and what she should expect further up.

I'm not talking about all the rules, just in this sitch.

Not all of these kids are going to the NCAA. Common sense rules.

Where do you think the kids at the higher levels or coaches think that the game should be stopped for a shoe? We do it at the lower levels and it continues up until the varisty level. I understand with lower levels, but calling it like you would at the varsity level may not hurt. Additionally, most 4th grade games only one or two of the players handle the ball - so it would slow up anyway.