Lost a sneaker

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Is there any common sense and fair play reason why you WOULDN'T stop the game?

An official can stop the game for any situation he deems worthy under 8-2d.

A very similar situation occurred in G JV game last night. A1 drives for a layup and lost her shoe. She makes the basket and ref blows the whistle to allow her to get her shoe back on. Team "A" had been aggressively pressing the whole game and I had overheard the "B" coach tell his team to get the ball in bounds as quick as possible. Therefore "A" was given an advantage in this situation because they were able to set up the press once again. To top it all off the girl who lost her shoe never even tightened it up , she just pulled it back on her foot and away they went. That is one time I would not stop play.

[JRutledge]

This is funny that you bring this up. This exact situation took place in the Mizzou-Kansas game on Monday night. Kansas' Sharron Collins (freshman from Chicago) went to the basket hard and made a basket. He took on two defenders and all 3 hit the floor and he lost his shoe. Mizzou got the ball and started going the other way immediately after the basket. Sharron picked up his shoe, tried to get the attention of the officials and they ignored him, so he threw the shoe towards his bench and started running up the court. I do not remember when the clock was stopped, but I do not think the crew stopped the game because of this shoe being lost. I had no problem with what the crew did or how they handled this situation. I would have likely done the same thing.

Now for me once the player's team gets the ball, I would then likely stop the clock and allow the player to put the shoe back on. If it takes away their fast break, then who cares at that point. As long as I feel the shoe came off accidentally and not because it was taken off to get some kind of advantage, this is what I would do.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is funny that you bring this up. This exact situation took place in the Mizzou-Kansas game on Monday night. Kansas' Sharron Collins (freshman from Chicago) went to the basket hard and made a basket. He took on two defenders and all 3 hit the floor and he lost his shoe. Mizzou got the ball and started going the other way immediately after the basket. Sharron picked up his shoe, tried to get the attention of the officials and they ignored him, so he threw the shoe towards his bench and started running up the court. I do not remember when the clock was stopped, but I do not think the crew stopped the game because of this shoe being lost. I had no problem with what the crew did or how they handled this situation. I would have likely done the same thing.

Now for me once the player's team gets the ball, I would then likely stop the clock and allow the player to put the shoe back on. If it takes away their fast break, then who cares at that point. As long as I feel the shoe came off accidentally and not because it was taken off to get some kind of advantage, this is what I would do.

Peace

I would not stop it here, either. But I didn't sense in the OP aggressive play (from either team) after the official noticed the shoe coming off.

Again proving that what gets posted on the Internet isn't black-and-white.

[bronco]

Like most of you, I'm smart enough to tie my shoes so they won't just fall off. Somebody mentioned seeing a player just push the laces down into the shoe instead of tying them, and I've seen that too. If a player isn't smart enough to realize that this isn't the smartest idea, why should he be bailed out by a ref stopping the game because he was burned by trying to look cool? The exception I can think of is if the shoe is in the middle of play, where somebody might step on it and roll their ankle, but that doesn't sound like the orignal post, or the college situation that was brought up.

[Ref in PA]

In my area, we have been instructed to let play continue unless the shoe could cause injury. These are big boys and girls, they need to take responsibility.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Ref in PA

In my area, we have been instructed to let play continue unless the shoe could cause injury. These are big boys and girls, they need to take responsibility.

I agree. And, I've kicked a shoe off the court, and I've seen an assistant coach run on the court and pick up a shoe and return to the bench (the shoe was at one end, play had moved to the other). No, I didn't T him for being off the bench.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No, I didn't T him for being off the bench.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Ref in PA

In my area, we have been instructed to let play continue unless the shoe could cause injury. These are big boys and girls, they need to take responsibility.

That's exactly what we instruct our officials to do. The idea is to have it handled uniformly by all officials also.

[mj]

I play on.

We had a situation earlier this year in a girl's varsity game. Girl loses her shoe while playing defense and throws the shoe toward the bench. They gain possession and are running their offense. She gets the ball goes to the hoop and gets fouled. She proceeds to the ft line still w/o her shoe on. "Um, you can put your shoe on before we shoot these."

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Ref in PA

In my area, we have been instructed to let play continue unless the shoe could cause injury. These are big boys and girls, they need to take responsibility.

That's an odd thought. You have a player in his socks, which, if they are anything like the socks I wear, are quite slick. This player is attempting to play basketball on a waxed wood floor. And you don't see that as a situation that can cause injury?

At any rate, in the OP there was no play to continue. The ball was dead. Stop the clock and get the problem fixed.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

You have a player in his socks, which, if they are anything like the socks I wear, are quite slick. This player is attempting to play basketball on a waxed wood floor. And you don't see that as a situation that can cause injury?

Nope, I see it as a situation where the player can stop and put their shoe back on if they feel like doing so. Nobody's stopping them from doing that.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

At any rate, in the OP there was no play to continue. The ball was dead. Stop the clock and get the problem fixed.

Using what rule basis?

The ball might be dead, but you're also stopping the clock. This might give one team an unintended advantage. Maybe one team gets to set up a press on an inbounds pass that they would not have done otherwise. Maybe one team gets to sub for a winded player that otherwise would've stayed in the game. If the clock is already stopped, (foul, violation, before a free throw, etc.), I have no problem with letting the player get their shoe back on. But by you stopping the clock, you are doing something that is not necessarily supported by rule. Granted, maybe 9 times out of 10 it will not be a problem, but it's that 1 other time that will get you in trouble.

[mick]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Now for me once the player's team gets the ball, I would then likely stop the clock and allow the player to put the shoe back on. If it takes away their fast break, then who cares at that point. As long as I feel the shoe came off accidentally and not because it was taken off to get some kind of advantage, this is what I would do.

That could work as long as the offensive coach doesn't yell, "How can you do that ?" ...As if that matters.

I'm thinking if the missing-shoe team has the ball, then they can slow it down for the re-tie, while I apathetically wallow in the realm of "who cares".