would you "t" a coach for saying...

[Junker]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

If not calling a T is eating at you, I think you know the answer already.

Well said. If you are still feeling you left one out there, you probably did.

[Terrapins Fan]

Why try to avoid it? I don't get that. If he brings it on himself, you give it to him (which you obviously did in this game). If not, you don't. Why worry about avoiding it?

There are several reasons why I tried to avoid "T"ing him up,

1- if there's a personality conflict between coaches and officials, they remove you from his schedule. If I am giving him a "T" every time he deserves it, I wouldn't work any of his games, His school is 15 minutes from my house. We work as far away as 1 hour and 15 minutes each way.

2-I wondered if it was that I just didn't like him, but I don't have a problem with other coaches at all.

3-I have asked my partners to "T" him up if he needed it, but none of them hava and beyond the shadow of a doubt, he deserved them.

I did "T" up another coach last year and he asked to have me removed from all his games for the rest of the season, Now here's what he did.

His assistant coach yelled after a call and as I ran past him, he yelled again, I ignored it, but coming back down court again past the bench, he yells the same thing a 3rd time and I give him a "T", telling the coach, that I don't have to listen to his assistant. The coach asks " What did he say to you?" I told him what he said ( complaining about my call ) and the coach said, " Well at least he didn't call you an F'ing A'Hole" I said, coach, you have lost your coaching box and I walked away. Everyone tells me I could have "T"ed him up right there, but I walked away. We shot 2 bring the ball in opposit the table. Next trip down the floor, He is standing and coaching his team BANG, now I got him and I am fine with this "T" He calls my assignor and asks me to be removed from his games and BTW, I was removed from his games. meaning that I am traveling to get games.

I did do one of their games this year, no problem. The past is the past.

[tomegun]

Terrapins Fan, where are you located in Maryland? If it is one of the counties around DC, can you tell me what school this is or PM me if you don't want to post it?

[REFVA]

I think the answer to your question is integrity. You do the same job every game no matter who the coach is or who is watching. It might take longer to get the results you desire, but in the end you will know you did everything above board.
For the first time in my career, I'm in a situation where coaches have a good deal of power. It has been good and bad for me so far. I have picked up some games because officials were taken out. On the flip side, I had one coach rip me a new one in the evaluation. We aren't supposed to know who the coach is (it is on Arbiter), but I know for certain which coach gave me this particular evaluation. Among other things, he said I was trying to give one of his players a technical foul. I don't think I have ever tried to give someone a technical foul. Either I give a T or I don't, there isn't no "tried" to it. My advice would be to just stay the course and what is meant to happen for you will happen for you.tomegun

tomegun, As always I appreciate your wisdom and thoughts. I do and have my intergrity. Keep in mind how many officials won't make a call knowing that their career may come to a short hault. I go out there every night and forget who and what may have said or done the last time I called their game. How many officials won't make a certain call becuase they may be black balled. I have made myself a reputation over the last couple of years that it's strictly business and move on. Some don't and won't. IMO

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

"Well at least he didn't call you an F'ing A'Hole" I said, coach, you have lost your coaching box and I walked away. Next trip down the floor, He is standing and coaching his team BANG, now I got him and I am fine with this "T"

Wow. You would rather T him for a coaching box infraction than for calling you a **cking ***hole? There has to be something that I'm just not getting. I'm not saying anything against you personally, Terp, honest. There must be some regional philosophy or system or something that I just don't understand.

You have to do what your assignor wants you to do, I guess. But I would go to him/her and very sincerely ask for advice on how to handle these types of situations. I can't believe that your assignor would fault you for T'ing the comment that coach made.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by ChrisSportsFan

I know ther is NO imaginary circle under the basket but was this kid playing defense? I didn't see your play but oftentimes around here, a kid standing under the goal taking a crash is either a blocking foul or nothing depending on the severity.

Why? Isn't it the essence of defense for a player to take a position the other team want to pass through? He's attempting to force the shooter to pull up for a short jumper rather than a layup. This should either be a no call or a PC foul....NEVER a blocking foul.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

1)- if there's a personality conflict between coaches and officials, they remove you from his schedule. If I am giving him a "T" every time he deserves it, I wouldn't work any of his games, His school is 15 minutes from my house. We work as far away as 1 hour and 15 minutes each way.

T2) he coach asks " What did he say to you?" I told him what he said ( complaining about my call ) and the coach said, " Well at least he didn't call you an F'ing A'Hole" I said, coach, you have lost your coaching box and I walked away. Everyone tells me I could have "T"ed him up right there, but I walked away.

1) Congratulations. You have now become that coach's very own pet referee, to do with as he wishes. Make sure that you don't make any calls against his team either that might get him upset too. You don't want to lose those games. Sad....

2) Nope, you should have tossed him. To allow any coach to get away scot-free from saying anything like that is ridiculous.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ChrisSportsFan

I know ther is NO imaginary circle under the basket but was this kid playing defense? I didn't see your play but oftentimes around here, a kid standing under the goal taking a crash is either a blocking foul or nothing depending on the severity.

The officials "around here" really need to read case book play 10.6.1SitC. They're wrong.

[kmw]

After reading all the posts and reading the case play (thanks juraissic ), it was clearly a charge. The defense came over and was planted prior to A1 leaving his feet and charging. I know that the coach was working my limits and seeing what was my response. Based on his comment, he knows it was the correct call, I think he was looking to see what kind of comeback comment I would have made. I personally like the "a varsity coach wouldn't ask that" and the "a varsity player wouldn't have done that". A varsity player would have stopped and taken the bunny shot...I stand by my comment of "its a charge and thats why I called it that way". As for rehashing this scenario, I am more peeved at myself for not having the quicker wit. The only other thought to add is that I am a woman officiating a mens game and before they will score me in the top 40 boys rank in my association, they need to know what will bother me. I am a varsity official whether it be boys or girls....

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by kmw

I personally like the "a varsity coach wouldn't ask that" and the "a varsity player wouldn't have done that".

If you're going to use something like these, I might suggest "A varsity official wouldn't have to" -- in my mind, at least, there's a subtle difference that takes some of the "accusation" of the player / coach out of the saying.

[kmw]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If you're going to use something like these, I might suggest "A varsity official wouldn't have to" -- in my mind, at least, there's a subtle difference that takes some of the "accusation" of the player / coach out of the saying.

The subtle word changes can make a world of difference...

[Terrapins Fan]

Wow. You would rather T him for a coaching box infraction than for calling you a **cking ***hole?

He didn't call me a F***ing A**hole, he said, " it's a good thing HE didn't call you a F***ing A**Hole" Subtle difference and yes, I think I could have "T"ed him up for that, but I knew he would cross the line in a matter of time. He was getting his butt kicked by a team that wasn't even in his class. ( his team was ranked in the top 5, the other team not in the top 10 ( or 20 for that matter )

[Ref Daddy]

2004 POI:
The committee is concerned about the use of inappropriate language by players, bench personnel, coaches, officials and spectators. Each group has a responsibility to the game and to each other to demonstrate civility and citizenship.

The team huddle is not a safe haven for coaches' bad language. Players are not permitted to "let off steam" by using profanity, even if it is not directed at an opponent or official. Being angry at oneself is no excuse. Officials are not exempt either. Inappropriate references to players or coaches are not acceptable. Game administrators must also pay particular attention to fans. A game ticket is not a license to abuse.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

He didn't call me a F***ing A**hole, he said, " it's a good thing HE didn't call you a F***ing A**Hole"

Same thing. He's telling you that you're a "farging icehole", but he's glad that the coach didn't tell you that you were. Kind of like:

Coach: Hey ref, can you T me up for something that I think?
Ref: No, Coach.
Coach: Good. Because I think you suck.

I could have "T"ed him up for that, but I knew he would cross the line in a matter of time.

He already crossed the line. And big time, too. Not just standing outside the coaching box. He just called you fargin icehole -- to your face!!! What the heck line were you waiting for?

I don't know your experience or the area you're from. And I don't mean any of my comments to be taken personally. But from an officiating POV, I can't imagine NOT pulling the trigger on that comment. As I said in a previous post, I can't imagine that your assignor would not back you up on that call.

He was getting his butt kicked by a team that wasn't even in his class. ( his team was ranked in the top 5, the other team not in the top 10 ( or 20 for that matter )

This is not at all relevant, IMO. Up by 2, down by 50, you call me a fargin icehole to my face, and your night is probably done.