You Make the Call

[KTexRef]

Resolution:

Official (Referee) blows the whistle to stop play, discusses with younger official. Referee says "correctible error coach" and we go back to shoot the second shot. However, it WAS a 1 and 1 and not a two shot foul.

During our officials conference, I look at the younger official and ask point blank, did you make a mistake and call a two shot foul when it should have been a 1 and 1. He admits yes. I express that this was not a correctible error, just a mistake. We need to admit the error and move on.

Referee gives second shot, adds time back on the clock and then gives ball back to losing team.

Needless to say, it was an interesting conversation after the game in the officials locker room.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by KTexRef

Resolution:

Official (Referee) blows the whistle to stop play, discusses with younger official. Referee says "correctible error coach" and we go back to shoot the second shot. However, it WAS a 1 and 1 and not a two shot foul.

During our officials conference, I look at the younger official and ask point blank, did you make a mistake and call a two shot foul when it should have been a 1 and 1. He admits yes. I express that this was not a correctible error, just a mistake. We need to admit the error and move on.

Referee gives second shot, adds time back on the clock and then gives ball back to losing team.

Needless to say, it was an interesting conversation after the game in the officials locker room.

Wow. Just wow. And put time back on the clock?! Wow.

I'd like to hear the jist of the conversation in the lockerroom. Will that R get dinged for any of this?

[KTexRef]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Wow. Just wow. And put time back on the clock?! Wow.

I'd like to hear the jist of the conversation in the lockerroom. Will that R get dinged for any of this?

My sentiments exactly, I couldn't believe what was happening. It was not that difficult and took what was a well called game and turned it into a fiasco.

The conversation in the locker room started with the R jumping the younger officials rear end. Really just started to ream the kid. I jumped in and told the R that I thought he jumped the gun on his decision and stated my position yet again. R started telling me how many games he's officiated and how he was just doing a favor for the assignor blah blah blah. I know, the R has about 6 years of experience. I only started in 1984, what the heck do I know! LOL

I talked with the younger official and tried to diffuse the situation. I told him that we're human and we will make mistakes and that it's critical to admit those errors right away. The younger official and I continued to talk through the situation different game scenarios where an error like this could have decided a game. I promised him that he would remember tonight for his entire officiating career and that he would likely not make the same error again!

I highly doubt the R will get dinged at all.

[Corndog89]

Originally Posted by KTexRef

My sentiments exactly, I couldn't believe what was happening. It was not that difficult and took what was a well called game and turned it into a fiasco.

The conversation in the locker room started with the R jumping the younger officials rear end. Really just started to ream the kid. I jumped in and told the R that I thought he jumped the gun on his decision and stated my position yet again. R started telling me how many games he's officiated and how he was just doing a favor for the assignor blah blah blah. I know, the R has about 6 years of experience. I only started in 1984, what the heck do I know! LOL

I talked with the younger official and tried to diffuse the situation. I told him that we're human and we will make mistakes and that it's critical to admit those errors right away. The younger official and I continued to talk through the situation different game scenarios where an error like this could have decided a game. I promised him that he would remember tonight for his entire officiating career and that he would likely not make the same error again!

I highly doubt the R will get dinged at all.

Wow! What a wonderful role model and mentor (the R, not you, Tex)

I started calling softball in college and quit after 1/2 season because 2-3 of the "top" umps in that association were just like that guy...it was nooooooo fun. Good on ya, Tex, for talking with the new guy and giving him positive, useful feedback!

[KTexRef]

Originally Posted by Corndog89

Wow! What a wonderful role model and mentor (the R, not you, Tex)

I started calling softball in college and quit after 1/2 season because 2-3 of the "top" umps in that association were just like that guy...it was nooooooo fun. Good on ya, Tex, for talking with the new guy and giving him positive, useful feedback!

I know what you mean, I had some of those guys myself when I first started. I promised that I would never do those types of things to a younger official. As a matter of fact, I started working youth basetball this year with my 15 year old son, teaching him the ropes. He's already proving to be a good official with his knowlege and understanding of the rules.

When I first started, I had the dream to become a D-1 official. Then family and career got in the way. Maybe, just maybe someday my son can travel down that road.

Memo to older guys, help teach younger officials, don't berate them. There is such a shortage of officials as it is, we certainly don't need this type of behavior.

[mjbofficial]

Originally Posted by KTexRef

Memo to older guys, help teach younger officials, don't berate them. There is such a shortage of officials as it is, we certainly don't need this type of behavior.

Completely agree. As a new official, I'm trying my best out there would really be turned off to this if one of my fellow officials berated me. Constructive criticism is encouraged, if we are doing something wrong...by all means, tell us. Just remember where you were when you first started.

I've been lucky thus far, this is my first year and I've done about 40 games and everyone I've worked with has been great.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by KTexRef

I talked with the younger official and tried to diffuse the situation. I told him that we're human and we will make mistakes and that it's critical to admit those errors right away. The younger official and I continued to talk through the situation different game scenarios where an error like this could have decided a game. I promised him that he would remember tonight for his entire officiating career and that he would likely not make the same error again!

Besides which, it wasn't all that huge of a mistake. Sheez, in the end the correct thing happened, and no one got hurt. At least not from Junior!

[deecee]

lol this R with 6 years of experience knows it all. i like him.

I mean in a blowout with 20 seconds less what a huge error. reporting a 1and1 as a 2 shot foul to the table. Thats not correctible and its just an error, and in this case and scenario a really tiny one.

I remember one older ref that started to go off on me about a year ago like it was my first after he was way off his rocker and i asked him. Right before he started i told him "If for a second you are going to try and justify your screw up to me by spouting off how long you have been working i would suggest you save your breath." he had nothing to say. A guy looses credibility with me when he justifies what he did because hes been working X amount of years. Now if he had said well this one time i had a similar situation come up and ... that is much better than I am right because i have officiated 3,654,567 years.

I still find it hard to imagine anything to berate anyone over in this case -- i would have told him to touch his toes and think about the care bears.

[mj]

Originally Posted by KTexRef

Resolution:

Official (Referee) blows the whistle to stop play, discusses with younger official. Referee says "correctible error coach" and we go back to shoot the second shot. However, it WAS a 1 and 1 and not a two shot foul.

During our officials conference, I look at the younger official and ask point blank, did you make a mistake and call a two shot foul when it should have been a 1 and 1. He admits yes. I express that this was not a correctible error, just a mistake. We need to admit the error and move on.

Referee gives second shot, adds time back on the clock and then gives ball back to losing team.

Needless to say, it was an interesting conversation after the game in the officials locker room.

Definitely not the answer I expected that's for sure.

[Ed Maeder]

Even if it was a correctable error, and it wasn't. No time would be put back on the clock. What a goat rope.