She dropped her clipboard?

[Old School]

Originally Posted by bigdogrunnin

Definitely DO NOT do was Old School says. You do not want to get into a "stare down" with a coach. That IS baiting, and 90% or more of coaches WILL bite. You also don't want to "Look" for a reason to give a "T" either.

My point here is I don't know how that clipboard got on the floor, but if it was right after a call that didn't go their way, I can put 2 an 2 together. Maybe the coach has something he/she wants to say. Now, I'm going to give them a chance to say it, especially since they just insulted me (officials are human) with that C/B. I might even give them a little extra time to make sure I let them express themselves, that way they don't have to throw the C/B again. Don't be afraid to take care of business here.

If the coach and their behavior is going to be your focus, then who is focused on the game??

Right now the ball is dead, my partners can watch the players. Plus the players are not the problem right now. We might have an out of control coach, which either way can be bad for your game. I consider this a problem spot in my game and I'm going to address it right now. Left unaddress, could cause major problems for the rest of the game. Coach got nothing to say, I might say, if that C/B hits the floor again, somebody going to be headed to the locker room.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

My point here is I don't know how that clipboard got on the floor, but if it was right after a call that didn't go their way, I can put 2 an 2 together. Maybe the coach has something he/she wants to say. Now, I'm going to give them a chance to say it, especially since they just insulted me (officials are human) with that C/B. I might even give them a little extra time to make sure I let them express themselves, that way they don't have to throw the C/B again. Don't be afraid to take care of business here.

This is so completely different from what you first wrote that it's laughable.

Originally Posted by Old School

Right now the ball is dead, my partners can watch the players. Plus the players are not the problem right now. We might have an out of control coach, which either way can be bad for your game. I consider this a problem spot in my game and I'm going to address it right now. Left unaddress, could cause major problems for the rest of the game. Coach got nothing to say, I might say, if that C/B hits the floor again, somebody going to be headed to the locker room.

No, the ball wasn't dead; there was a rebound and no whistle because there was no foul. Read the whole post.
She was no where near out of control, and if I'd given her a chance to "express herself" at that moment, she'd have earned a T. Game management was served by ignoring what I didn't see in this case.

And then if the coach doesn't say anything while I stare at her, you're going to blow a little oxygen on the flames? Genius, absolutely genius.

[bigdogrunnin]

Originally Posted by Old School

Coach got nothing to say, I might say, if that C/B hits the floor again, somebody going to be headed to the locker room.

THIS IS BAITING, and putting yourself in a tough spot. Besides, the original post said they did NOT call a foul, so the ball was still LIVE. In addition, it is the responsibility of every official on the floor to be focused on the action that is in front of them, not worrying about a coach that MIGHT have thrown a clipboard.

For instance, I used to coach, for several years before becoming an official. I never threw a clipboard, but I did drop mine once. It WAS an ACCIDENT, and I did not do it to show up anyone. I was turning to talk to one of my players and just accidentally let it go. The official didn't respond at all. Using your logic, 2 + 2 = T for me because . . .

Originally Posted by Old School

. . . my point here is I don't know how that clipboard got on the floor, but if it was right after a call that didn't go their way, I can put 2 an 2 together. Maybe the coach has something he/she wants to say. Now, I'm going to give them a chance to say it, especially since they just insulted me (officials are human) with that C/B.

I didn't have anything to say. What about the coach that just tosses their clipboard to floor in front of their chair? I see this at least 1-2 times EVERY week. Do I assume then that I am being "shown up"? As has been stated by many others . . . "If you don't see it, you don't have any business calling it."

[Adam]

Let me add this; I'm L table side, so my partner was T opposite table and should have had a good view of the coach, who was actually standing on the baseline side of the coaching box. Partner is a 45 year vet who, when we first worked together the week before, informed me that he's a game management type who's only given a handfull of Ts to coaches in 45 years. I'm sure he saw it, and I'm sure he passed for game management reasons.

[biz]

Originally Posted by bigdogrunnin

My second year as an official, I had a coach slam his clipboard on his chair with both hands as I was walking to report a foul. Yep . . . see ya coach.

You tossed him? That rises to the level of a flagrant T in your mind? Everyone has their own threshold I guess. I guess I'm a little too lenient as I would only T this. If I'm giving a coach a Flagrant T and a shower it's going to be for more than abusing inanimate objects. F-bombs and other abusive language directed at me or my partner is where my Flagrant T is coming out. To each his/her own I guess.

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by biz

F-bombs and other abusive language directed at me or my partner is where my Flagrant T is coming out. To each his/her own I guess.

Don't forget, the same OS who said he'd T the coach for the clipboard said that foul language like that only deserves a WARNING.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No, the ball wasn't dead; there was a rebound and no whistle because there was no foul. Read the whole post. :
She was no where near out of control, and if I'd given her a chance to "express herself" at that moment, she'd have earned a T. Game management was served by ignoring what I didn't see in this case.

In my explanation, I was considering this to be a dead ball after a whistle. If no whistle, yea you keep playing and you got no call, but I'm not quite sure I could ignore it. Me and coach is going to have some words when the ball does become dead. Accidentally dropping a C/B you're not going to hear that hit the floor. However, if this accident occurs right at the time of a call/no-call that didn't go your way. Guess what coach, you're in hot water with me. From a coaching prospective, probably best not to have C/B in hand while ball is live, that way, nothing stupid like this can get you in trouble with the officials.

Case in point, coach has towel in hands and gets frustrated with player and throws towel onto court after a play. My official immedately whacks him. Coach comes to me and says, I was not trying to show up official, I was mad at my player. I told coach as observer of the game, how was the official to know that? That towel made it onto the playing court. Best to not have that in your hand while ball is live and you can't accidentally throw it and get in trouble. This really gets under my skin when coaches want us to read their mind and bypass the rules when the conditions warrant. That is completely out of line whether you did it intentionally or not.

And then if the coach doesn't say anything while I stare at her, you're going to blow a little oxygen on the flames? Genius, absolutely genius.

No, I'm going to make damn sure that that doesn't happen again. That's crossing the line and good officials know it. This is just me, because my skin is not as thin as yours. A coach could verbally curse me out on a call before I would let him throw his C/B, kick a chair, or throw a towel on the floor. Again, that's just me.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

My official immedately whacks him.

Originally Posted by Old School

This is just me, because my skin is not as thin as yours.

This is a judgment you're not qualified to make; and it certainly doesn't follow logically from what you've written in this thread alone.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

I told coach as observer of the game,

[CoachP]

Watching a BV 3-4 years ago.

Coach had a beef with a no call on his end of court. As ball and players went opposite side of court, he turned toward end of bench mumbling. Then quickly turned 180 degrees and started stomping towards his seat. In the same motion of sitting down, he slams the clipboard to the floor. The marker flys off the board and goes spinning like a helicopter across the floor.

You couldn't have walked out and placed it on the floor any better. It stopped 1 foot directly in front of the trail.

(Who then signalled the "T")

[bigdogrunnin]

That is something I would love to have seen . . .